Dear all, there is an important Request for Comments on Wikidata. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/References_and_s...
For those of you who don't know it yet, there is a specific Wikidata Books task force http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Books_task_force
It's really important that the Wikisource community starts engaging Wikidata issues, especially because it will soon be needed a decision regarding the relation between Wikidata and Wikisource.
We need to discuss "edition data" on Wikidata, as they represent the 99% of metadata that are on Wikisource (and obviously Commons).
Aubrey
Hi Andrea,
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 5:29 AM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com wrote:
It's really important that the Wikisource community starts engaging Wikidata issues, especially because it will soon be needed a decision regarding the relation between Wikidata and Wikisource.
Can you provide more information about what decision needs to be made about the relationship between Wikidata and Wikisource?
//Ed
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Ed Summers ehs@pobox.com wrote:
Can you provide more information about what decision needs to be made about the relationship between Wikidata and Wikisource?
I will try, and hopefully Micru (who knows Wikidata much better than me) will follow up.
Wikidata right know is integrated with Wikipedia only. Sister projects (as Wikisource) are now not taken in consideration, because each one is different and must be taken iin consideration indipendently. This is at least the opinion of the development tem (whom we speak to several times).
One of the main issue is that, right know, Wikidata will store books metadata for Wikipedia pages, and that, in FRBR jargon, are "work" metadata (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_Requirements_for_Bibliographic_Recor... ) Wikipedia articles, in most cases, talk about "books in general" ("The Hamlet", "Don Quixote", etc.).
Wikisource, on the other end, works with "editions" ("manifestation" in FRBR), which need more metadata (edition, year of the edition, language, translator, etc.) This is the very same issues of djvu files on Commons, which store metadata into the Book template.
Now, the problem is that, as I said before, Wikidata doen't talk with Commons and Wikisource (yet). And it's a duty of the community to decide *how*, for example, store "edition metadata" in Wikidata.
We, for example, could create an item for every book edition we use in Wikisource/Commons. Or we could use *qualifiers*, and add these data in the main item related to the book. The latter is Micru's proposal, and he made a mockup: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4115189&oldid=35796153
I think it's the best proposal, as today, and if you agree you can support it: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/References_and_s...
I hope this clarification helped a bit.
Aubrey
If I can add a comment, I suggest that Commons should be included into wikidata net as soon as possible, since it shares with wikidata its feature of being "a unique container" and book metadata are already shared between all wikisource projects and Commons for a central group of works (the "proofread" ones). I suggest too to keep wikidata staff in contact with Jarekt, who works hardly into Commons and is particularly interested about books and "creators" (i.e. authors).
In my opinion, the fast inclusion of Commons into Wikidata net will solve most issues of wikisource projects too.
Alex
2013/5/17 Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Ed Summers ehs@pobox.com wrote:
Can you provide more information about what decision needs to be made about the relationship between Wikidata and Wikisource?
I will try, and hopefully Micru (who knows Wikidata much better than me) will follow up.
Wikidata right know is integrated with Wikipedia only. Sister projects (as Wikisource) are now not taken in consideration, because each one is different and must be taken iin consideration indipendently. This is at least the opinion of the development tem (whom we speak to several times).
One of the main issue is that, right know, Wikidata will store books metadata for Wikipedia pages, and that, in FRBR jargon, are "work" metadata (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_Requirements_for_Bibliographic_Recor... ) Wikipedia articles, in most cases, talk about "books in general" ("The Hamlet", "Don Quixote", etc.).
Wikisource, on the other end, works with "editions" ("manifestation" in FRBR), which need more metadata (edition, year of the edition, language, translator, etc.) This is the very same issues of djvu files on Commons, which store metadata into the Book template.
Now, the problem is that, as I said before, Wikidata doen't talk with Commons and Wikisource (yet). And it's a duty of the community to decide *how*, for example, store "edition metadata" in Wikidata.
We, for example, could create an item for every book edition we use in Wikisource/Commons. Or we could use *qualifiers*, and add these data in the main item related to the book. The latter is Micru's proposal, and he made a mockup: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4115189&oldid=35796153
I think it's the best proposal, as today, and if you agree you can support it:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/References_and_s...
I hope this clarification helped a bit.
Aubrey
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On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Alex Brollo alex.brollo@gmail.com wrote:
If I can add a comment, I suggest that Commons should be included into wikidata net as soon as possible, since it shares with wikidata its feature of being "a unique container" and book metadata are already shared between all wikisource projects and Commons for a central group of works (the "proofread" ones). I suggest too to keep wikidata staff in contact with Jarekt, who works hardly into Commons and is particularly interested about books and "creators" (i.e. authors).
In my opinion, the fast inclusion of Commons into Wikidata net will solve most issues of wikisource projects too.
I definetely agree, Commons would be probably one of the first sister project to be added to Wikidata (although the dev team wants to cope with the easier project first...) It's not really depending on us, we can merely suggest them.
Aubrey
I am pretty certain that I saw that Jarekt was involved with the book task force. I definitely saw his name on the page, and I know that I have pointed at some specific components to them.
Regards, Billinghurst
On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:45:28 +0200, Alex Brollo alex.brollo@gmail.com wrote:
If I can add a comment, I suggest that Commons should be included into wikidata net as soon as possible, since it shares with wikidata its
feature
of being "a unique container" and book metadata are already shared
between
all wikisource projects and Commons for a central group of works (the "proofread" ones). I suggest too to keep wikidata staff in contact with Jarekt, who works hardly into Commons and is particularly interested
about
books and "creators" (i.e. authors).
In my opinion, the fast inclusion of Commons into Wikidata net will
solve
most issues of wikisource projects too.
Alex
2013/5/17 Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Ed Summers ehs@pobox.com wrote:
Can you provide more information about what decision needs to be made about the relationship between Wikidata and Wikisource?
I will try, and hopefully Micru (who knows Wikidata much better than
me)
will follow up.
Wikidata right know is integrated with Wikipedia only. Sister projects (as Wikisource) are now not taken in consideration, because each one is different and must be taken iin consideration indipendently. This is at least the opinion of the development tem (whom we speak to several times).
One of the main issue is that, right know, Wikidata will store books metadata for Wikipedia pages, and that, in
FRBR
jargon, are "work" metadata (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_Requirements_for_Bibliographic_Recor...
) Wikipedia articles, in most cases, talk about "books in general" ("The Hamlet", "Don Quixote", etc.).
Wikisource, on the other end, works with "editions" ("manifestation" in FRBR), which need more metadata (edition, year of the edition, language, translator, etc.) This is the very same issues of djvu files on Commons, which store metadata into the Book template.
Now, the problem is that, as I said before, Wikidata doen't talk with
Commons
and Wikisource (yet). And it's a duty of the community to decide *how*, for example, store "edition metadata" in Wikidata.
We, for example, could create an item for every book edition we use in Wikisource/Commons. Or we could use *qualifiers*, and add these data in the main item
related
to the book. The latter is Micru's proposal, and he made a mockup: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4115189&oldid=35796153
I think it's the best proposal, as today, and if you agree you can support it:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/References_and_s...
I hope this clarification helped a bit.
Aubrey
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