Dear all,
I am planning to modify the <pages> tag, so that content from pages marked as "empty" (quality0) will either not be transcluded at all, or will be transcluded without page number, and without appending a newline character.
The main reason for this change is to improve the support for multilingual books. Currently, the <pages> tag creates an empty paragraph for each empty page that is in its list ; this means that pages with text in other languages, typically rendered with {{iwpage}}, do have a side effect.
This side effect can be observed here : http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Satire_1_(Horace,_Raoul)
In this example, pages in latin generate an empty paragraph, which is visible in the transclusion ; the line spacing is too large on each page break.
Before I proceed with this change, I would like to know if it could have unexpected consequences. Please let me know if you know texts or wikis that use quality0 in an unintended way (besides de.ws).
Thomas
2010/9/15 thomasV1@gmx.de
Dear all,
I am planning to modify the <pages> tag, so that content from pages marked as "empty" (quality0) will either not be transcluded at all, or will be transcluded without page number, and without appending a newline character.
Thanks ThomasV, a great idea IMHO. I found that it would be very confortable to include empty pages into pages tag, this would allow a "continuous" series of parameters into pages tag parameters... empty pages between a chapter and the following one were much disturbing. This will allow a much simpler building of transcluded version.
Can't wait to see this change at work.
Alex
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:05 AM, thomasV1@gmx.de wrote:
Dear all,
I am planning to modify the <pages> tag, so that content from pages marked as "empty" (quality0) will either not be transcluded at all, or will be transcluded without page number, and without appending a newline character.
The main reason for this change is to improve the support for multilingual books. Currently, the <pages> tag creates an empty paragraph for each empty page that is in its list ; this means that pages with text in other languages, typically rendered with {{iwpage}}, do have a side effect.
This side effect can be observed here : http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Satire_1_(Horace,_Raoul)
In this example, pages in latin generate an empty paragraph, which is visible in the transclusion ; the line spacing is too large on each page break.
Before I proceed with this change, I would like to know if it could have unexpected consequences. Please let me know if you know texts or wikis that use quality0 in an unintended way (besides de.ws).
This is a good idea in general.
However, I suspect that pages consisting only of images have been marked on en.ws as quality0.
If it is easy to do, a check for content in the 'blank page' would allow for the content to be included if it is valid content.
Another approach would be for us to search the databases for non-blank blank pages, and let the communities reassess how they are using this feature.
-- John Vandenberg
2010/9/16 John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com
This is a good idea in general.
However, I suspect that pages consisting only of images have been marked on en.ws as quality0.
Yes,you're right; really there's some ambiguity in the meaning of Quality0, it can be used to mark pages that need no transclusion (sometimes, not empty, i.e. "ex libris" image or editor's advertising) or pages that need no proofreading/validation (pages without text, both empty or containing images only).
So, conventions and exact meaning of Quality0 are to be clearly states before ThomasV change is introduced.
Nevertheless, I'm going to think that proofread, Index-Page version is going to be te real core of wikisource work, and that ns0 tranclusion could be considered merely one from many possible derived works (I deeply appreciate Magnus viewer), therefore any good, useful data added into Index-Page version is very important.
Alex
On 09/16/2010 07:49 AM, Alex Brollo wrote:
So, conventions and exact meaning of Quality0 are to be clearly states before ThomasV change is introduced.
Another way is to exclude the page number for pages that have no content, regardless of their proofreading status. Then image pages would get the page number, but blank pages would not.
John Vandenberg a écrit :
I suspect that pages consisting only of images have been marked on en.ws as quality0.
Yes, I have been doing this.
In this case, it would be interesting to transclude only the page content (with no newline, no page number), so that we can make images float without breaking the text flow.
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