I think we are forgetting that Wikisource is a WIKI!
This is not the question ; as I said : who decide what is a good
critical edition ?
The community decides through collaboration and discussion. We are a wiki.
Again, you talked about critical editions ; who decide what is a good
edition then ? The quality of Wikisource can not be based only on what contributors think to be good. This is a cercle, and that doesn't make Wikisource reliable.
"The quality of an encyclopedia cannot be based only on what contributors think to be good. This is a circle, and that doesn't make Wikipedia reliable. That is why Britannica is a much better idea."
I still wonder who decide what is good for the public. Beside, there is some rules that define Wkisource, what it is, and what it is not.
We are a wiki. In any Wikimedia project, the community needs to think about and decide how it can best serve the public. The rules that define Wikisource are created by the Wikisource community and such things are discussed (which is what I hope we are doing here).
If Wikisource publishes critical editions, there will be wars edit,
because there is no critere to this kind of editions except what the contributors decide.
So go argue with 8 years of experience instead of trying to learn from it... :-)
Have to go...
Le 16/08/2012 15:32, Dovi Jacobs a écrit :
I think we are forgetting that Wikisource is a WIKI!
This is not the question ; as I said : who decide what is a good
critical edition ?
The community decides through collaboration and discussion. We are a wiki.
I think you don't see the point, and it's perharps because I don't write English very well. As a wiki, we decide what we can edit or not, but we can not decide how a edition must be made without reference. If the contributors decide what is a good critical edition, then Wikisource will be unreliable.
"The quality of an encyclopedia cannot be based only on what contributors think to be good. This is a circle, and that doesn't make Wikipedia reliable. That is why Britannica is a much better idea."
The content of the articles must not be the reflect of what contributors think : contributors have to follow the neutrality. So there is no cercle. Critical editions made by contributors don't follow neutrality.
We are a wiki. In any Wikimedia project, the community needs to think about and decide how it can best serve the public. The rules that define Wikisource are created by the Wikisource community and such things are discussed (which is what I hope we are doing here).
Again, the content is not what we decide.
So go argue with 8 years of experience instead of trying to learn from it... :-)
Have to go...
Well, I see what happen on Wikipedia when contributors claim to know what is the good content of an article.
I think you don't see the point, and it's perharps because I don't write English very well. As a wiki, we decide >what we can edit or not, but we can not decide how a edition must be made without reference. If the contributors >decide what is a good critical edition, then Wikisource will be unreliable.
Ah, now I understand what you meant! But why do you think the editing guidelines will be "without reference"? Just like a Wikipedia article can and should be based on sources, the Wikisource guidelines for editing a text should be written by people familiar with the scholarship on that text, while referencing both that scholarship and the relevant editions and manuscripts. Which is exactly what we try to do. And it works quite well.
The content of the articles must not be the reflect of what contributors think : contributors have to follow the >neutrality. So there is no cercle. Critical editions made by contributors don't follow neutrality.
Here too I agree with you completely. The editing guidelines at Wikisource are meant to implement the scholarship on a work in a neutral way. Regarding this it must be pointed out that at times there may be several legitimate ways to edit a single text (all of them based on good sources!), and the best way to achieve neutrality would be to allow the user to choose which style of editing s/he prefers.
Well, I see what happen on Wikipedia when contributors claim to know what is the good content of an article.
First of all Wikipedia is an amazing success despite that. But secondly and more importantly, editing texts is a very different kind of process that writing an encyclopedia article, and I think that is why it is much less likely to lead to edit wars and to a culture of negative argumentation (as it unfortunately often does at Wikipedia). Once again, the idea that edit wars aren't much of a problem is not just a hypothesis, but the result of 8 years of experimentation and work.
Quite frankly, I fully agree with all those people who find the negative culture of argumentation that is often present at Wikipedia to be quite distasteful, and one reason I prefer Wikisource is that for our project it hardly exists at all. In other words, I agree with your concerns. However, I don't thing that sense of distaste is a legitimate reason to prevent people from contributing texts in ways other than simple proofreading. If you personally are so afraid of this, then stick to proofreading for yourself! But be generous enough to allow others to contribute source texts in other ways. Plus, as I said, our experience shows that it is really not much of a problem.
Have a good weekend! :-)
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