I've just found [[Special:ProofreadIndexOai]] and loved it!
Firstly, why this special page isn't listed at [[Special:SpecialPages]]?
Second, [1] points to [2], that returns a 404 error.
Oka, now I'll ask the most important thing: how to implement it!? =)
The doc page [3] mentions a page stored in the MediaWiki namespace, but that page is almost empty on it.wikisource and don't ever was created on en.wikisource. Those domains contains DC fields such as title, creator, issued.
The MediaWiki page was also ever created on pt.wikisource, but all metadata that it returns to me is type and format.
---- As a side note, I really love all efforts done in ProofreadPage extension. It's amazing that a plugin developed entirely in a volunteer basis, with little or none input from the main product (MediaWiki) developer team, has achieved such level of quality and complexity.
But, please, give some love and attention to maintain it's documentation. Do it remembering that it will be crucial for small Wikisources, since most of the time only one or two users retains all the very specific knowledge necessary to try to develop and atract new users for that subdomain.
Reverse engineering to discover how something works is a time consuming task, like all the remaining core tasks. At the end, those local experts users ends in getting no fun contributing to Wikisource because firstly needs to do lots of additional and sometimes bureaucratic work if really wants to not being the only user in such wiki.
We all are in the same boat, trying to colect works in copyleft or public domain in a project that the main organization behind we (Wikimedia Foundation) neither try to help us or know how to help us (in fact, mostly of us, myself included, don't know also on what can be helped), please help each other on what is possible.
[what a melodramatic message I just wrote LOL]
----
[1] - https://wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOai?verb=ListRecords&m...
[2] - http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/
[3] - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Proofread_Page#OAI-PMH
Luiz,
I don't see it listed at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:OAuthListConsumers which is where all approved clients are listed at this time (though the plan is to move the process to meta at some point).
Regards, Billinghurst
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:54:18 -0300, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
I've just found [[Special:ProofreadIndexOai]] and loved it!
Firstly, why this special page isn't listed at [[Special:SpecialPages]]?
Second, [1] points to [2], that returns a 404 error.
Oka, now I'll ask the most important thing: how to implement it!? =)
The doc page [3] mentions a page stored in the MediaWiki namespace, but that page is almost empty on it.wikisource and don't ever was created on en.wikisource. Those domains contains DC fields such as title, creator, issued.
The MediaWiki page was also ever created on pt.wikisource, but all
metadata
that it returns to me is type and format.
As a side note, I really love all efforts done in ProofreadPage
extension.
It's amazing that a plugin developed entirely in a volunteer basis, with little or none input from the main product (MediaWiki) developer team,
has
achieved such level of quality and complexity.
But, please, give some love and attention to maintain it's
documentation.
Do it remembering that it will be crucial for small Wikisources, since
most
of the time only one or two users retains all the very specific
knowledge
necessary to try to develop and atract new users for that subdomain.
Reverse engineering to discover how something works is a time consuming task, like all the remaining core tasks. At the end, those local experts users ends in getting no fun contributing to Wikisource because firstly needs to do lots of additional and sometimes bureaucratic work if really wants to not being the only user in such wiki.
We all are in the same boat, trying to colect works in copyleft or
public
domain in a project that the main organization behind we (Wikimedia Foundation) neither try to help us or know how to help us (in fact,
mostly
of us, myself included, don't know also on what can be helped), please
help
each other on what is possible.
[what a melodramatic message I just wrote LOL]
[1] -
https://wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOai?verb=ListRecords&m...
[2] - http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/
[3] - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Proofread_Page#OAI-PMH
Hi, Billinghurst,
I think that you have misunderstood the mentioned special page.
The Oai portion on [[Special:ProofreadIndexOai]] reffers to OAI-PMH (Open Archives Initiative Protocol for Metadata Harvesting), not OAuth =)
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:26 AM, billinghurst billinghurst@gmail.comwrote:
Luiz,
I don't see it listed at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:OAuthListConsumers which is where all approved clients are listed at this time (though the plan is to move the process to meta at some point).
Regards, Billinghurst
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:54:18 -0300, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
I've just found [[Special:ProofreadIndexOai]] and loved it!
Firstly, why this special page isn't listed at [[Special:SpecialPages]]?
Second, [1] points to [2], that returns a 404 error.
Oka, now I'll ask the most important thing: how to implement it!? =)
The doc page [3] mentions a page stored in the MediaWiki namespace, but that page is almost empty on it.wikisource and don't ever was created on en.wikisource. Those domains contains DC fields such as title, creator, issued.
The MediaWiki page was also ever created on pt.wikisource, but all
metadata
that it returns to me is type and format.
As a side note, I really love all efforts done in ProofreadPage
extension.
It's amazing that a plugin developed entirely in a volunteer basis, with little or none input from the main product (MediaWiki) developer team,
has
achieved such level of quality and complexity.
But, please, give some love and attention to maintain it's
documentation.
Do it remembering that it will be crucial for small Wikisources, since
most
of the time only one or two users retains all the very specific
knowledge
necessary to try to develop and atract new users for that subdomain.
Reverse engineering to discover how something works is a time consuming task, like all the remaining core tasks. At the end, those local experts users ends in getting no fun contributing to Wikisource because firstly needs to do lots of additional and sometimes bureaucratic work if really wants to not being the only user in such wiki.
We all are in the same boat, trying to colect works in copyleft or
public
domain in a project that the main organization behind we (Wikimedia Foundation) neither try to help us or know how to help us (in fact,
mostly
of us, myself included, don't know also on what can be helped), please
help
each other on what is possible.
[what a melodramatic message I just wrote LOL]
[1] -
https://wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOai?verb=ListRecords&m...
[2] - http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/
[3] - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Proofread_Page#OAI-PMH
Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
You should ask Tpt, he's the one working with OAI-PMH.
Very happy Luiz that you want to mess with that page, as we probably need some tests to make it up and running for different scenarios, as far as I know few Wikisources actually use it.
I'm currently speaking with 2 companies which do "digital lending", meaning, lending ebooks. I told them about that page and related. I still have no feedback about though.
Aubrey
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, Billinghurst,
I think that you have misunderstood the mentioned special page.
The Oai portion on [[Special:ProofreadIndexOai]] reffers to OAI-PMH (Open Archives Initiative Protocol for Metadata Harvesting), not OAuth =)
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:26 AM, billinghurst billinghurst@gmail.comwrote:
Luiz,
I don't see it listed at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:OAuthListConsumers which is where all approved clients are listed at this time (though the plan is to move the process to meta at some point).
Regards, Billinghurst
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:54:18 -0300, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
I've just found [[Special:ProofreadIndexOai]] and loved it!
Firstly, why this special page isn't listed at [[Special:SpecialPages]]?
Second, [1] points to [2], that returns a 404 error.
Oka, now I'll ask the most important thing: how to implement it!? =)
The doc page [3] mentions a page stored in the MediaWiki namespace, but that page is almost empty on it.wikisource and don't ever was created on en.wikisource. Those domains contains DC fields such as title, creator, issued.
The MediaWiki page was also ever created on pt.wikisource, but all
metadata
that it returns to me is type and format.
As a side note, I really love all efforts done in ProofreadPage
extension.
It's amazing that a plugin developed entirely in a volunteer basis, with little or none input from the main product (MediaWiki) developer team,
has
achieved such level of quality and complexity.
But, please, give some love and attention to maintain it's
documentation.
Do it remembering that it will be crucial for small Wikisources, since
most
of the time only one or two users retains all the very specific
knowledge
necessary to try to develop and atract new users for that subdomain.
Reverse engineering to discover how something works is a time consuming task, like all the remaining core tasks. At the end, those local experts users ends in getting no fun contributing to Wikisource because firstly needs to do lots of additional and sometimes bureaucratic work if really wants to not being the only user in such wiki.
We all are in the same boat, trying to colect works in copyleft or
public
domain in a project that the main organization behind we (Wikimedia Foundation) neither try to help us or know how to help us (in fact,
mostly
of us, myself included, don't know also on what can be helped), please
help
each other on what is possible.
[what a melodramatic message I just wrote LOL]
[1] -
https://wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOai?verb=ListRecords&m...
[2] - http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/
[3] - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Proofread_Page#OAI-PMH
Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Hi!
This page isn’t list in Special:SpecialPages because it’s an API endpoint and not something done for « normal" wiki users use.
http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/ is only used as a vocabulary URI. As allowed by the OAI-PMH spec the vocabulary schema is available in an other place specified by xsi:schemaLocation: https://wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOaiSchema/qdc (it’s only a wrapper for qualified Dublin Core).
Mediawiki:Proofreadpage_index_oai_sets is only done to configure OAI-PMH "sets" (sort of categories). the OAI endpoint is usable even without sets created. The records content are configured by MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config using the "data" property that maps Index: pages entries to entries as understood by ProofreadPage. The "type" property is also used. en, fr old and it Wikisources use this new configuration system already. I’ve just improved a little bit the MediaWiki.org page about it.
Thomas
PS: You have right, the documentation is a real problem. I’m going to send an email to the mailing list about it.
You should ask Tpt, he's the one working with OAI-PMH.
Very happy Luiz that you want to mess with that page, as we probably need some tests to make it up and running for different scenarios, as far as I know few Wikisources actually use it.
I'm currently speaking with 2 companies which do "digital lending", meaning, lending ebooks. I told them about that page and related. I still have no feedback about though.
Aubrey
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Billinghurst,
I think that you have misunderstood the mentioned special page.
The Oai portion on [[Special:ProofreadIndexOai]] reffers to OAI-PMH (Open Archives Initiative Protocol for Metadata Harvesting), not OAuth =)
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:26 AM, billinghurst billinghurst@gmail.com wrote: Luiz,
I don't see it listed at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:OAuthListConsumers which is where all approved clients are listed at this time (though the plan is to move the process to meta at some point).
Regards, Billinghurst
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:54:18 -0300, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
I've just found [[Special:ProofreadIndexOai]] and loved it!
Firstly, why this special page isn't listed at [[Special:SpecialPages]]?
Second, [1] points to [2], that returns a 404 error.
Oka, now I'll ask the most important thing: how to implement it!? =)
The doc page [3] mentions a page stored in the MediaWiki namespace, but that page is almost empty on it.wikisource and don't ever was created on en.wikisource. Those domains contains DC fields such as title, creator, issued.
The MediaWiki page was also ever created on pt.wikisource, but all
metadata
that it returns to me is type and format.
As a side note, I really love all efforts done in ProofreadPage
extension.
It's amazing that a plugin developed entirely in a volunteer basis, with little or none input from the main product (MediaWiki) developer team,
has
achieved such level of quality and complexity.
But, please, give some love and attention to maintain it's
documentation.
Do it remembering that it will be crucial for small Wikisources, since
most
of the time only one or two users retains all the very specific
knowledge
necessary to try to develop and atract new users for that subdomain.
Reverse engineering to discover how something works is a time consuming task, like all the remaining core tasks. At the end, those local experts users ends in getting no fun contributing to Wikisource because firstly needs to do lots of additional and sometimes bureaucratic work if really wants to not being the only user in such wiki.
We all are in the same boat, trying to colect works in copyleft or
public
domain in a project that the main organization behind we (Wikimedia Foundation) neither try to help us or know how to help us (in fact,
mostly
of us, myself included, don't know also on what can be helped), please
help
each other on what is possible.
[what a melodramatic message I just wrote LOL]
[1] -
https://wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOai?verb=ListRecords&m...
[2] - http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/
[3] - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Proofread_Page#OAI-PMH
Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
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Hi Tpt, just a little question. I just got a feedback from one of the digital lending company i was talking about, and they tell me that there is no "dc:title" in the OAI data.
(example below)
<record><header><identifier>oai:it.wikisource.org: prpIndex/De%27_matematici_italiani_anteriori_all%27invenzione_della_stampa.djvu </identifier><datestamp>2012-08-27T19:51:56Z</datestamp><setSpec> edizioni_wikisource</setSpec></header><metadata><prp_qdc:qdc xmlns:prp_qdc=" http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/" xmlns:dc=" http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:dcterms="http://purl.org/dc/terms/" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation=" http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/ // it.wikisource.org/wiki/Speciale:ProofreadIndexOaiSchema/qdc">dc:type xsi:type="dcterms:DCMIType"Text</dc:type><dc:format xsi:type="dcterms:IMT"> text/html</dc:format><dc:format xsi:type="dcterms:IMT">image/vnd.djvu</ dc:format>dc:creatorBartolomeo Veratti</dc:creator><dc:publisher xml:lang ="it">Tipografia degli Eredi Soliani</dc:publisher><dcterms:spatial xml:lang ="it">Modena</dcterms:spatial><dcterms:issued xsi:type="xsi:decimal">1860</ dcterms:issued><dc:language xsi:type="dcterms:RFC5646">it</dc:language></ prp_qdc:qdc></metadata></record>
I looked into it and the problem is probably that the dc:title is attributed to the
I thus modified the config ( https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config) like this: https://it.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AProofreadpage_index_...
But now it seems it lost even more data! https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOai?verb=ListRecords&am...
Aubrey
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Thomas Tanon thomaspt@hotmail.fr wrote:
Hi!
This page isn't list in Special:SpecialPages because it's an API endpoint and not something done for << normal" wiki users use.
http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/ is only used as a vocabulary URI. As allowed by the OAI-PMH spec the vocabulary schema is available in an other place specified by xsi:schemaLocation: https://wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOaiSchema/qdc (it's only a wrapper for qualified Dublin Core).
Mediawiki:Proofreadpage_index_oai_sets is only done to configure OAI-PMH "sets" (sort of categories). the OAI endpoint is usable even without sets created. The records content are configured by MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config using the "data" property that maps Index: pages entries to entries as understood by ProofreadPage. The "type" property is also used. en, fr old and it Wikisources use this new configuration system already. I've just improved a little bit the MediaWiki.org page about it.
Thomas
PS: You have right, the documentation is a real problem. I'm going to send an email to the mailing list about it.
You should ask Tpt, he's the one working with OAI-PMH.
Very happy Luiz that you want to mess with that page, as we probably need some tests to make it up and running for different
scenarios,
as far as I know few Wikisources actually use it.
I'm currently speaking with 2 companies which do "digital lending",
meaning,
lending ebooks. I told them about that page and related. I still have no feedback about though.
Aubrey
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Billinghurst,
I think that you have misunderstood the mentioned special page.
The Oai portion on [[Special:ProofreadIndexOai]] reffers to OAI-PMH
(Open Archives Initiative Protocol for Metadata Harvesting), not OAuth =)
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:26 AM, billinghurst billinghurst@gmail.com
wrote:
Luiz,
I don't see it listed at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:OAuthListConsumers which is where all approved clients are listed at this time (though the plan is to move the process to meta at some point).
Regards, Billinghurst
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:54:18 -0300, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
I've just found [[Special:ProofreadIndexOai]] and loved it!
Firstly, why this special page isn't listed at
[[Special:SpecialPages]]?
Second, [1] points to [2], that returns a 404 error.
Oka, now I'll ask the most important thing: how to implement it!? =)
The doc page [3] mentions a page stored in the MediaWiki namespace, but that page is almost empty on it.wikisource and don't ever was created
on
en.wikisource. Those domains contains DC fields such as title, creator, issued.
The MediaWiki page was also ever created on pt.wikisource, but all
metadata
that it returns to me is type and format.
As a side note, I really love all efforts done in ProofreadPage
extension.
It's amazing that a plugin developed entirely in a volunteer basis,
with
little or none input from the main product (MediaWiki) developer team,
has
achieved such level of quality and complexity.
But, please, give some love and attention to maintain it's
documentation.
Do it remembering that it will be crucial for small Wikisources, since
most
of the time only one or two users retains all the very specific
knowledge
necessary to try to develop and atract new users for that subdomain.
Reverse engineering to discover how something works is a time consuming task, like all the remaining core tasks. At the end, those local
experts
users ends in getting no fun contributing to Wikisource because firstly needs to do lots of additional and sometimes bureaucratic work if
really
wants to not being the only user in such wiki.
We all are in the same boat, trying to colect works in copyleft or
public
domain in a project that the main organization behind we (Wikimedia Foundation) neither try to help us or know how to help us (in fact,
mostly
of us, myself included, don't know also on what can be helped), please
help
each other on what is possible.
[what a melodramatic message I just wrote LOL]
[1] -
https://wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOai?verb=ListRecords&m...
[2] - http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/
[3] - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Proofread_Page#OAI-PMH
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Hi!
It's just because there was a syntax error in the configuration page. I've just fixed it [1] and I think it works fine now. The best way to check if the configuration is valid is to try to edit an Index: page.
Thomas
PS: there is no "subtitle" in the ProofreadPage metadata system yet
[1] https://it.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AProofreadpage_index_...
Le 20 févr. 2014 à 14:46, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com a écrit :
Hi Tpt, just a little question. I just got a feedback from one of the digital lending company i was talking about, and they tell me that there is no "dc:title" in the OAI data.
(example below)
<record> <header> <identifier> oai:it.wikisource.org:prpIndex/De%27_matematici_italiani_anteriori_all%27invenzione_della_stampa.djvu </identifier> <datestamp>2012-08-27T19:51:56Z</datestamp> <setSpec>edizioni_wikisource</setSpec> </header> <metadata> <prp_qdc:qdc xmlns:prp_qdc="http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:dcterms="http://purl.org/dc/terms/" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/ //it.wikisource.org/wiki/Speciale:ProofreadIndexOaiSchema/qdc"> <dc:type xsi:type="dcterms:DCMIType">Text</dc:type> <dc:format xsi:type="dcterms:IMT">text/html</dc:format> <dc:format xsi:type="dcterms:IMT">image/vnd.djvu</dc:format> <dc:creator>Bartolomeo Veratti</dc:creator> <dc:publisher xml:lang="it">Tipografia degli Eredi Soliani</dc:publisher> <dcterms:spatial xml:lang="it">Modena</dcterms:spatial> <dcterms:issued xsi:type="xsi:decimal">1860</dcterms:issued> <dc:language xsi:type="dcterms:RFC5646">it</dc:language> </prp_qdc:qdc> </metadata> </record>
I looked into it and the problem is probably that the dc:title is attributed to the
I thus modified the config (https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config) like this: https://it.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AProofreadpage_index_...
But now it seems it lost even more data! https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOai?verb=ListRecords&am...
Aubrey
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Thomas Tanon thomaspt@hotmail.fr wrote: Hi!
This page isn’t list in Special:SpecialPages because it’s an API endpoint and not something done for « normal" wiki users use.
http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/ is only used as a vocabulary URI. As allowed by the OAI-PMH spec the vocabulary schema is available in an other place specified by xsi:schemaLocation: https://wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOaiSchema/qdc (it’s only a wrapper for qualified Dublin Core).
Mediawiki:Proofreadpage_index_oai_sets is only done to configure OAI-PMH "sets" (sort of categories). the OAI endpoint is usable even without sets created. The records content are configured by MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config using the "data" property that maps Index: pages entries to entries as understood by ProofreadPage. The "type" property is also used. en, fr old and it Wikisources use this new configuration system already. I’ve just improved a little bit the MediaWiki.org page about it.
Thomas
PS: You have right, the documentation is a real problem. I’m going to send an email to the mailing list about it.
You should ask Tpt, he's the one working with OAI-PMH.
Very happy Luiz that you want to mess with that page, as we probably need some tests to make it up and running for different scenarios, as far as I know few Wikisources actually use it.
I'm currently speaking with 2 companies which do "digital lending", meaning, lending ebooks. I told them about that page and related. I still have no feedback about though.
Aubrey
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Billinghurst,
I think that you have misunderstood the mentioned special page.
The Oai portion on [[Special:ProofreadIndexOai]] reffers to OAI-PMH (Open Archives Initiative Protocol for Metadata Harvesting), not OAuth =)
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:26 AM, billinghurst billinghurst@gmail.com wrote: Luiz,
I don't see it listed at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:OAuthListConsumers which is where all approved clients are listed at this time (though the plan is to move the process to meta at some point).
Regards, Billinghurst
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:54:18 -0300, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
I've just found [[Special:ProofreadIndexOai]] and loved it!
Firstly, why this special page isn't listed at [[Special:SpecialPages]]?
Second, [1] points to [2], that returns a 404 error.
Oka, now I'll ask the most important thing: how to implement it!? =)
The doc page [3] mentions a page stored in the MediaWiki namespace, but that page is almost empty on it.wikisource and don't ever was created on en.wikisource. Those domains contains DC fields such as title, creator, issued.
The MediaWiki page was also ever created on pt.wikisource, but all
metadata
that it returns to me is type and format.
As a side note, I really love all efforts done in ProofreadPage
extension.
It's amazing that a plugin developed entirely in a volunteer basis, with little or none input from the main product (MediaWiki) developer team,
has
achieved such level of quality and complexity.
But, please, give some love and attention to maintain it's
documentation.
Do it remembering that it will be crucial for small Wikisources, since
most
of the time only one or two users retains all the very specific
knowledge
necessary to try to develop and atract new users for that subdomain.
Reverse engineering to discover how something works is a time consuming task, like all the remaining core tasks. At the end, those local experts users ends in getting no fun contributing to Wikisource because firstly needs to do lots of additional and sometimes bureaucratic work if really wants to not being the only user in such wiki.
We all are in the same boat, trying to colect works in copyleft or
public
domain in a project that the main organization behind we (Wikimedia Foundation) neither try to help us or know how to help us (in fact,
mostly
of us, myself included, don't know also on what can be helped), please
help
each other on what is possible.
[what a melodramatic message I just wrote LOL]
[1] -
https://wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOai?verb=ListRecords&m...
[2] - http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/
[3] - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Proofread_Page#OAI-PMH
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"-___-
I hate syntax errors.
thanks
Aubrey
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Thomas Tanon thomaspt@hotmail.fr wrote:
Hi!
It's just because there was a syntax error in the configuration page. I've just fixed it [1] and I think it works fine now. The best way to check if the configuration is valid is to try to edit an Index: page.
Thomas
PS: there is no "subtitle" in the ProofreadPage metadata system yet
[1] https://it.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AProofreadpage_index_...
Le 20 févr. 2014 à 14:46, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com a écrit :
Hi Tpt, just a little question. I just got a feedback from one of the digital lending company i was
talking about, and they tell me that there is no
"dc:title" in the OAI data.
(example below)
<record> <header> <identifier> oai:it.wikisource.org:
prpIndex/De%27_matematici_italiani_anteriori_all%27invenzione_della_stampa.djvu
</identifier> <datestamp>2012-08-27T19:51:56Z</datestamp> <setSpec>edizioni_wikisource</setSpec> </header> <metadata> <prp_qdc:qdc xmlns:prp_qdc="http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/"
xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:dcterms=" http://purl.org/dc/terms/" xmlns:xsi=" http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation=" http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/ // it.wikisource.org/wiki/Speciale:ProofreadIndexOaiSchema/qdc">
<dc:type xsi:type="dcterms:DCMIType">Text</dc:type> <dc:format xsi:type="dcterms:IMT">text/html</dc:format> <dc:format xsi:type="dcterms:IMT">image/vnd.djvu</dc:format> dc:creatorBartolomeo Veratti</dc:creator> <dc:publisher xml:lang="it">Tipografia degli Eredi Soliani</dc:publisher> <dcterms:spatial xml:lang="it">Modena</dcterms:spatial> <dcterms:issued xsi:type="xsi:decimal">1860</dcterms:issued> <dc:language xsi:type="dcterms:RFC5646">it</dc:language> </prp_qdc:qdc>
</metadata> </record>
I looked into it and the problem is probably that the dc:title is
attributed to the
I thus modified the config (
https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config) like this:
https://it.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AProofreadpage_index_...
But now it seems it lost even more data!
https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOai?verb=ListRecords&am...
Aubrey
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Thomas Tanon thomaspt@hotmail.fr
wrote:
Hi!
This page isn't list in Special:SpecialPages because it's an API
endpoint and not something done for << normal" wiki users use.
http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/ is only used as a
vocabulary URI. As allowed by the OAI-PMH spec the vocabulary schema is available in an other place specified by xsi:schemaLocation: https://wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOaiSchema/qdc
(it's only a wrapper for qualified Dublin Core).
Mediawiki:Proofreadpage_index_oai_sets is only done to configure OAI-PMH
"sets" (sort of categories). the OAI endpoint is usable even without sets created.
The records content are configured by
MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config using the "data" property that maps Index: pages entries to entries as understood by ProofreadPage. The "type" property is also used. en, fr old and it Wikisources use this new configuration system already. I've just improved a little bit the MediaWiki.org page about it.
Thomas
PS: You have right, the documentation is a real problem. I'm going to
send an email to the mailing list about it.
You should ask Tpt, he's the one working with OAI-PMH.
Very happy Luiz that you want to mess with that page, as we probably need some tests to make it up and running for different
scenarios,
as far as I know few Wikisources actually use it.
I'm currently speaking with 2 companies which do "digital lending",
meaning,
lending ebooks. I told them about that page and related. I still have no feedback about though.
Aubrey
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi, Billinghurst,
I think that you have misunderstood the mentioned special page.
The Oai portion on [[Special:ProofreadIndexOai]] reffers to OAI-PMH
(Open Archives Initiative Protocol for Metadata Harvesting), not OAuth =)
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:26 AM, billinghurst billinghurst@gmail.com
wrote:
Luiz,
I don't see it listed at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:OAuthListConsumers which is where all approved clients are listed at this time (though the plan is to move the process to meta at some point).
Regards, Billinghurst
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:54:18 -0300, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
I've just found [[Special:ProofreadIndexOai]] and loved it!
Firstly, why this special page isn't listed at
[[Special:SpecialPages]]?
Second, [1] points to [2], that returns a 404 error.
Oka, now I'll ask the most important thing: how to implement it!? =)
The doc page [3] mentions a page stored in the MediaWiki namespace,
but
that page is almost empty on it.wikisource and don't ever was
created on
en.wikisource. Those domains contains DC fields such as title,
creator,
issued.
The MediaWiki page was also ever created on pt.wikisource, but all
metadata
that it returns to me is type and format.
As a side note, I really love all efforts done in ProofreadPage
extension.
It's amazing that a plugin developed entirely in a volunteer basis,
with
little or none input from the main product (MediaWiki) developer
team,
has
achieved such level of quality and complexity.
But, please, give some love and attention to maintain it's
documentation.
Do it remembering that it will be crucial for small Wikisources,
since
most
of the time only one or two users retains all the very specific
knowledge
necessary to try to develop and atract new users for that subdomain.
Reverse engineering to discover how something works is a time
consuming
task, like all the remaining core tasks. At the end, those local
experts
users ends in getting no fun contributing to Wikisource because
firstly
needs to do lots of additional and sometimes bureaucratic work if
really
wants to not being the only user in such wiki.
We all are in the same boat, trying to colect works in copyleft or
public
domain in a project that the main organization behind we (Wikimedia Foundation) neither try to help us or know how to help us (in fact,
mostly
of us, myself included, don't know also on what can be helped),
please
help
each other on what is possible.
[what a melodramatic message I just wrote LOL]
[1] -
https://wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOai?verb=ListRecords&m...
[2] - http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/
[3] -
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Proofread_Page#OAI-PMH
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On 20/02/2014, at 15:18, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com wrote:
"-___-
I hate syntax errors.
thanks
Aubrey
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Thomas Tanon thomaspt@hotmail.fr wrote: Hi!
It's just because there was a syntax error in the configuration page. I've just fixed it [1] and I think it works fine now. The best way to check if the configuration is valid is to try to edit an Index: page.
Thomas
PS: there is no "subtitle" in the ProofreadPage metadata system yet
[1] https://it.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AProofreadpage_index_...
Le 20 févr. 2014 à 14:46, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com a écrit :
Hi Tpt, just a little question. I just got a feedback from one of the digital lending company i was talking about, and they tell me that there is no "dc:title" in the OAI data.
(example below)
<record> <header> <identifier> oai:it.wikisource.org:prpIndex/De%27_matematici_italiani_anteriori_all%27invenzione_della_stampa.djvu </identifier> <datestamp>2012-08-27T19:51:56Z</datestamp> <setSpec>edizioni_wikisource</setSpec> </header> <metadata> <prp_qdc:qdc xmlns:prp_qdc="http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:dcterms="http://purl.org/dc/terms/" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/ //it.wikisource.org/wiki/Speciale:ProofreadIndexOaiSchema/qdc"> <dc:type xsi:type="dcterms:DCMIType">Text</dc:type> <dc:format xsi:type="dcterms:IMT">text/html</dc:format> <dc:format xsi:type="dcterms:IMT">image/vnd.djvu</dc:format> <dc:creator>Bartolomeo Veratti</dc:creator> <dc:publisher xml:lang="it">Tipografia degli Eredi Soliani</dc:publisher> <dcterms:spatial xml:lang="it">Modena</dcterms:spatial> <dcterms:issued xsi:type="xsi:decimal">1860</dcterms:issued> <dc:language xsi:type="dcterms:RFC5646">it</dc:language> </prp_qdc:qdc> </metadata> </record>
I looked into it and the problem is probably that the dc:title is attributed to the
I thus modified the config (https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config) like this: https://it.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AProofreadpage_index_...
But now it seems it lost even more data! https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOai?verb=ListRecords&am...
Aubrey
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Thomas Tanon thomaspt@hotmail.fr wrote: Hi!
This page isn’t list in Special:SpecialPages because it’s an API endpoint and not something done for « normal" wiki users use.
http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/ is only used as a vocabulary URI. As allowed by the OAI-PMH spec the vocabulary schema is available in an other place specified by xsi:schemaLocation: https://wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOaiSchema/qdc (it’s only a wrapper for qualified Dublin Core).
Mediawiki:Proofreadpage_index_oai_sets is only done to configure OAI-PMH "sets" (sort of categories). the OAI endpoint is usable even without sets created. The records content are configured by MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config using the "data" property that maps Index: pages entries to entries as understood by ProofreadPage. The "type" property is also used. en, fr old and it Wikisources use this new configuration system already. I’ve just improved a little bit the MediaWiki.org page about it.
Thomas
PS: You have right, the documentation is a real problem. I’m going to send an email to the mailing list about it.
You should ask Tpt, he's the one working with OAI-PMH.
Very happy Luiz that you want to mess with that page, as we probably need some tests to make it up and running for different scenarios, as far as I know few Wikisources actually use it.
I'm currently speaking with 2 companies which do "digital lending", meaning, lending ebooks. I told them about that page and related. I still have no feedback about though.
Aubrey
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Billinghurst,
I think that you have misunderstood the mentioned special page.
The Oai portion on [[Special:ProofreadIndexOai]] reffers to OAI-PMH (Open Archives Initiative Protocol for Metadata Harvesting), not OAuth =)
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:26 AM, billinghurst billinghurst@gmail.com wrote: Luiz,
I don't see it listed at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:OAuthListConsumers which is where all approved clients are listed at this time (though the plan is to move the process to meta at some point).
Regards, Billinghurst
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:54:18 -0300, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
I've just found [[Special:ProofreadIndexOai]] and loved it!
Firstly, why this special page isn't listed at [[Special:SpecialPages]]?
Second, [1] points to [2], that returns a 404 error.
Oka, now I'll ask the most important thing: how to implement it!? =)
The doc page [3] mentions a page stored in the MediaWiki namespace, but that page is almost empty on it.wikisource and don't ever was created on en.wikisource. Those domains contains DC fields such as title, creator, issued.
The MediaWiki page was also ever created on pt.wikisource, but all
metadata
that it returns to me is type and format.
As a side note, I really love all efforts done in ProofreadPage
extension.
It's amazing that a plugin developed entirely in a volunteer basis, with little or none input from the main product (MediaWiki) developer team,
has
achieved such level of quality and complexity.
But, please, give some love and attention to maintain it's
documentation.
Do it remembering that it will be crucial for small Wikisources, since
most
of the time only one or two users retains all the very specific
knowledge
necessary to try to develop and atract new users for that subdomain.
Reverse engineering to discover how something works is a time consuming task, like all the remaining core tasks. At the end, those local experts users ends in getting no fun contributing to Wikisource because firstly needs to do lots of additional and sometimes bureaucratic work if really wants to not being the only user in such wiki.
We all are in the same boat, trying to colect works in copyleft or
public
domain in a project that the main organization behind we (Wikimedia Foundation) neither try to help us or know how to help us (in fact,
mostly
of us, myself included, don't know also on what can be helped), please
help
each other on what is possible.
[what a melodramatic message I just wrote LOL]
[1] -
https://wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ProofreadIndexOai?verb=ListRecords&m...
[2] - http://mediawiki.org/xml/proofreadpage/qdc/
[3] - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Proofread_Page#OAI-PMH
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