From the Wikidata weekly newsletter, I was led to the VIAF blog
post[1] which talks about how VIAF is going to re-orientate their linking from English Wikipedia to Wikidata. This should have a positive effect for the Wikisources in general, and non-English WSes especially, in making more overt the authors that you have in your wikis.
We should also be aware of the issue that (more?) people will arrive at our pages directly via WD.
[http://outgoing.typepad.com/outgoing/2015/03/moving-to-wikidata.html]
Regards, Andrew PS. Some of the more WD-aligned personnel will presumably already know this.
There isn't reason to celebrate, unfortunately.
The blog post mentions only Wikipedia links. And, in fact, doing a search on test.viaf.org, you will get only records containing links to Wikipedia.
See for example the JSON formated record for Jane Austen:
http://rdap02pxdu.dev.oclc.org:8080/viaf/102333412/justlinks.json
Wikidata entry for Jane Austen points also to 1 Wikibooks page, 22 Wikiquote pages, & Wikisource pages and 1 Wikimedia Commons page.
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q36322
I'm not particularly surprised on this, since the Wikimedia Foundation never does nothing to help "sister" projects (in fact, only puts dozens of barriers to allow/approve changes in MediaWiki for those and, recently, started to put barriers to approve local chapters actions on non-Wikipedias wikis, as we can see on some past messages on this list).
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On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 9:18 PM, billinghurst billinghurstwiki@gmail.com wrote:
From the Wikidata weekly newsletter, I was led to the VIAF blog post[1] which talks about how VIAF is going to re-orientate their linking from English Wikipedia to Wikidata. This should have a positive effect for the Wikisources in general, and non-English WSes especially, in making more overt the authors that you have in your wikis.
We should also be aware of the issue that (more?) people will arrive at our pages directly via WD.
[http://outgoing.typepad.com/outgoing/2015/03/moving-to-wikidata.html]
Regards, Andrew PS. Some of the more WD-aligned personnel will presumably already know this.
Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
I agree with Andy's comment on the blog post that it doesn't really make sense for VIAF to store all the Wikipedia links to a given topic - that's what Wikidata is already really good at.
So I assume that it would be best for VIAF to only link to the corresponding Wikidata item, from where all relevant pages across Wikimedia projects and languages can be reached.
d.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
There isn't reason to celebrate, unfortunately.
The blog post mentions only Wikipedia links. And, in fact, doing a search on test.viaf.org, you will get only records containing links to Wikipedia.
See for example the JSON formated record for Jane Austen:
http://rdap02pxdu.dev.oclc.org:8080/viaf/102333412/justlinks.json
Wikidata entry for Jane Austen points also to 1 Wikibooks page, 22 Wikiquote pages, & Wikisource pages and 1 Wikimedia Commons page.
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q36322
I'm not particularly surprised on this, since the Wikimedia Foundation never does nothing to help "sister" projects (in fact, only puts dozens of barriers to allow/approve changes in MediaWiki for those and, recently, started to put barriers to approve local chapters actions on non-Wikipedias wikis, as we can see on some past messages on this list).
[[User:555]]
On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 9:18 PM, billinghurst billinghurstwiki@gmail.com wrote:
From the Wikidata weekly newsletter, I was led to the VIAF blog post[1] which talks about how VIAF is going to re-orientate their linking from English Wikipedia to Wikidata. This should have a positive effect for the Wikisources in general, and non-English WSes especially, in making more overt the authors that you have in your wikis.
We should also be aware of the issue that (more?) people will arrive at our pages directly via WD.
[http://outgoing.typepad.com/outgoing/2015/03/moving-to-wikidata.html]
Regards, Andrew PS. Some of the more WD-aligned personnel will presumably already know this.
Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
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Daniel Mietchen, 29/03/2015 03:06:
So I assume that it would be best for VIAF to only link to the corresponding Wikidata item, from where all relevant pages across Wikimedia projects and languages can be reached.
Indeed. That's what I thought they would be doing...
Nemo
On 29 March 2015 at 02:06, Daniel Mietchen daniel.mietchen@googlemail.com wrote:
I agree with Andy's comment on the blog post that it doesn't really make sense for VIAF to store all the Wikipedia links to a given topic
- that's what Wikidata is already really good at.
Thanks or copying me in, Daniel.
I've now subscrribed to the list - hello everyone!
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Luiz Augusto lugusto@gmail.com wrote:
The blog post mentions only Wikipedia links. And, in fact, doing a search on test.viaf.org, you will get only records containing links to Wikipedia.
I'm not particularly surprised on this, since the Wikimedia Foundation never does nothing to help "sister" projects
What does this have to do with WMF? OCLC are independent actors, reusing Wikidata content as anyone may do, without having to consult or involve the WMF.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
I'm not particularly surprised on this, since the Wikimedia Foundation
never
does nothing to help "sister" projects
What does this have to do with WMF? OCLC are independent actors, reusing Wikidata content as anyone may do, without having to consult or involve the WMF.
Andy is right, and we have some personal contacts at OCLC. We can easily talk to them, if we want.
Aubrey
PS: Welcome, Andy.
Moreover: yes, it seems that right now VIAF takes its Wikipedia links from Wikidata. ex. http://rdap02pxdu.dev.oclc.org:8080/viaf/14356/#Manzoni,_Alessandro,_1785-18... . (see #About)
But this is a "Person" page. We know that in Wikidata we have tons of VIAF ids for persons. What about "Books"? How many Wikisource books are linked to Wikidata?
I'm curious to see how many Wikisources have worked in Wikidata in the last 2 years. I know for sure that the Italian Wikisource got stuck in some theoretical discussion, as it is not easy *at all* to use Wikidata with different "levels" of abstractions for books.
To cope with these kinds of issues, in the weekend of 11-12 april Wikimedia Italia will host a "bibbliohackathon" in Florence with several librarians from Italy, and hopefully we will come up with a *working model* for books in Wikidata. The event has two main aims: ask librarians help to cope with Wikidata issues, and teach them how powerful Wikidata (and Wikibase) is.
If someone is interested to participate online, we can organize an hackpad and some Hangouts.
Aubrey
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
I'm not particularly surprised on this, since the Wikimedia Foundation
never
does nothing to help "sister" projects
What does this have to do with WMF? OCLC are independent actors, reusing Wikidata content as anyone may do, without having to consult or involve the WMF.
Andy is right, and we have some personal contacts at OCLC. We can easily talk to them, if we want.
Aubrey
PS: Welcome, Andy.
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