I do not agree, because you have forgotten a important point : a database, even composed by texts in domain public, is not in the domain public : the work that provide contributors is under GFDL, therefore Wikisource, as a database, is under GFDL. When one give the whole access to this database without the consent of the contributors (as the foundation did), it is a massive violation of the contributors right. And the worst is of course this deny of credit : everybody is free to "give" his work to an assocation that sells it without his consent, but don't count on me.
« I am not saying that it is acceptable to give incorrect credit; I am saying that the credit is *not* incorrect except for translators. There is no authorship credit given for non-authors; this has nothing to do with Wikisource or the extension issue. Authorship is only noted for certain types of contributions based on creativity. Not time spent making the duplication between mediums more exact. Wikisource proofreaders have no more credit due to them for "A Christmas Carol" than the Mediawiki developers. Charles Dickens gets the credit for "A Christmas Carol". And this has nothing to do with the fact that "A Christmas Carol" is public domain. No one ever gets named an author for proofreading and other non-creative tasks. This is why it is not a copyright violation. Wasn't that what concerned you? The massive copyright violation you thought was going on? If your real concern is that the law and free content licenses do not grant IP rights for non-creative efforts, then I cannot help you. Wikisource happens to record all contributions in the history. But re-users should only need to recognize those who have a right to be named by law and custom. That includes those re-users who are simply printing a page from Wikisource.
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There are no database rights being infringed on as you suggest.
Birgitte SB
--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Marc Galli marc.jb@orange.fr wrote:
From: Marc Galli marc.jb@orange.fr Subject: [Wikisource-l] Extension Collection To: wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 3:54 AM I do not agree, because you have forgotten a important point : a database, even composed by texts in domain public, is not in the domain public : the work that provide contributors is under GFDL, therefore Wikisource, as a database, is under GFDL. When one give the whole access to this database without the consent of the contributors (as the foundation did), it is a massive violation of the contributors right. And the worst is of course this deny of credit : everybody is free to "give" his work to an assocation that sells it without his consent, but don't count on me.
« I am not saying that it is acceptable to give incorrect credit; I am saying that the credit is *not* incorrect except for translators. There is no authorship credit given for non-authors; this has nothing to do with Wikisource or the extension issue. Authorship is only noted for certain types of contributions based on creativity. Not time spent making the duplication between mediums more exact. Wikisource proofreaders have no more credit due to them for "A Christmas Carol" than the Mediawiki developers. Charles Dickens gets the credit for "A Christmas Carol". And this has nothing to do with the fact that "A Christmas Carol" is public domain. No one ever gets named an author for proofreading and other non-creative tasks. This is why it is not a copyright violation. Wasn't that what concerned you? The massive copyright violation you thought was going on? If your real concern is that the law and free content licenses do not grant IP rights for non-creative efforts, then I cannot help you. Wikisource happens to record all contributions in the history. But re-users should only need to recognize those who have a right to be named by law and custom. That includes those re-users who are simply printing a page from Wikisource.
Birgitte SB »
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Marc Galli wrote:
I do not agree, because you have forgotten a important point : a database, even composed by texts in domain public, is not in the domain public : the work that provide contributors is under GFDL, therefore Wikisource, as a database, is under GFDL. When one give the whole access to this database without the consent of the contributors (as the foundation did), it is a massive violation of the contributors right. And the worst is of couEce this deny of credit : everybody is free to "give" his work to an assocation that sells it without his consent, but don't count on me.
Database protection laws do not apply outside of the European Union. Notably, the United States has no such laws. Even where database protection laws are applicable they mostly apply to a large scale extraction from that database.
I don't think that either GFDL or CC says anything about database rights. (...but I could be wrong about that.)
So far, there have not been a lot of new long translations on Wikisource. Promoting initial machine translations would avoid the problem of editors wanting credit.
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