Gregory Maxwell wrote:
For digitizing what?
Exactly, that's the first question.
Archive.org digitizes books using a pair of canon 1Ds (? perhaps it was a 5D? In any case the 5DII would be sufficient now) on a custom stand with a hacked up copy of gphoto2 to actuate the cameras.
That's Brewster Kahle doing things many years ago (2002? 2003?). Today, a much cheaper low-end digital SLR, or even compact cameras will give you the needed 10 or so megapixels. But again, if you need to pay your staff, a ten times more expensive camera might easily pay its own cost in increased speed, or increased shutter lifespan.
I'm not sure how they're dealing with curvature (I think they just may lay a glass plate on the pages), but it would be easy enough to solve using a laser pointer with a pattern generating holographic grating and a second exposure to capture the page distortion and some fairly simple software processing after the fact.
The Internet Archive apparently uses a fixed glass, and lowers the book cradle to turn pages, http://aipengineering.com/scribe/
Other designs have a fixed book cradle and lifts the glass, e.g. the Atiz DIY, http://diy.atiz.com/
I thought the Internet Archive design was very clever, since it keeps a fixed distance from lens to book surface (beneath the glass), until I saw the bkrpr.org where you just lift everything. That's a design for 2009! I haven't tried to build one myself yet.
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However, you can capture lots of books (that can be opened fully) with a single camera, laying the book flat on a table with a glass on top. That's just like a flatbed scanner (but much faster) turned upside down.
In January 2008, I used a 10 megapixel Canon EOS 400D (Digital Rebel XTi) with a 50 mm lens to shoot this, laying flat on a table under a glass, http://runeberg.org/stridfin/0226.html
On that webpage, the image is reduced to 120 dpi (1.2 megapixel), but the original is 300 dpi (7.5 megapixel). The map shown is reused in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Alavus
That's an example of how one specialized book can be very useful for a limited Wikiproject. This book was published in 1909 for the 100th anniversary of the Finnish War (1808-1809), and digitized in 2008 for the 200th anniversary.
The community at http://www.diybookscanner.org/ discusses design ideas for DIY book-scanners - lots of in depth instructions and useful tips.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Lars Aronssonlars@aronsson.se wrote:
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
For digitizing what?
Exactly, that's the first question.
Archive.org digitizes books using a pair of canon 1Ds (? perhaps it was a 5D? In any case the 5DII would be sufficient now) on a custom stand with a hacked up copy of gphoto2 to actuate the cameras.
That's Brewster Kahle doing things many years ago (2002? 2003?). Today, a much cheaper low-end digital SLR, or even compact cameras will give you the needed 10 or so megapixels. But again, if you need to pay your staff, a ten times more expensive camera might easily pay its own cost in increased speed, or increased shutter lifespan.
I'm not sure how they're dealing with curvature (I think they just may lay a glass plate on the pages), but it would be easy enough to solve using a laser pointer with a pattern generating holographic grating and a second exposure to capture the page distortion and some fairly simple software processing after the fact.
The Internet Archive apparently uses a fixed glass, and lowers the book cradle to turn pages, http://aipengineering.com/scribe/
Other designs have a fixed book cradle and lifts the glass, e.g. the Atiz DIY, http://diy.atiz.com/
I thought the Internet Archive design was very clever, since it keeps a fixed distance from lens to book surface (beneath the glass), until I saw the bkrpr.org where you just lift everything. That's a design for 2009! I haven't tried to build one myself yet.
However, you can capture lots of books (that can be opened fully) with a single camera, laying the book flat on a table with a glass on top. That's just like a flatbed scanner (but much faster) turned upside down.
In January 2008, I used a 10 megapixel Canon EOS 400D (Digital Rebel XTi) with a 50 mm lens to shoot this, laying flat on a table under a glass, http://runeberg.org/stridfin/0226.html
On that webpage, the image is reduced to 120 dpi (1.2 megapixel), but the original is 300 dpi (7.5 megapixel). The map shown is reused in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Alavus
That's an example of how one specialized book can be very useful for a limited Wikiproject. This book was published in 1909 for the 100th anniversary of the Finnish War (1808-1809), and digitized in 2008 for the 200th anniversary.
-- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se
Project Runeberg - free Nordic literature - http://runeberg.org/
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Rather than buy some digitization equipment Wikimedia UK might be better off hiring an instructor for a workshop on making one of these scanners. If you can find enough people interested in attending. Then everyone will be scanning things that interest them personally and more likely to see the the projects through.
Birgitte SB
--- On Sat, 8/29/09, teak teak.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
From: teak teak.wiki@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] [Commons-l] Digitisation equipment To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library" wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: "Wikimedia Commons Discussion List" commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 10:59 AM The community at http://www.diybookscanner.org/ discusses design ideas for DIY book-scanners - lots of in depth instructions and useful tips.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Lars Aronssonlars@aronsson.se wrote:
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
For digitizing what?
Exactly, that's the first question.
Archive.org digitizes books using a pair of canon
1Ds (? perhaps
it was a 5D? In any case the 5DII would be
sufficient now) on a
custom stand with a hacked up copy of gphoto2 to
actuate the
cameras.
That's Brewster Kahle doing things many years ago
(2002? 2003?).
Today, a much cheaper low-end digital SLR, or even
compact cameras
will give you the needed 10 or so megapixels. But
again, if you
need to pay your staff, a ten times more expensive
camera might
easily pay its own cost in increased speed, or
increased shutter
lifespan.
I'm not sure how they're dealing with curvature (I
think they
just may lay a glass plate on the pages), but it
would be easy
enough to solve using a laser pointer with a
pattern generating
holographic grating and a second exposure to
capture the page
distortion and some fairly simple software
processing after the
fact.
The Internet Archive apparently uses a fixed glass,
and lowers the
book cradle to turn pages, http://aipengineering.com/scribe/
Other designs have a fixed book cradle and lifts the
glass, e.g.
the Atiz DIY, http://diy.atiz.com/
I thought the Internet Archive design was very clever,
since it
keeps a fixed distance from lens to book surface
(beneath the
glass), until I saw the bkrpr.org where you just lift
everything.
That's a design for 2009! I haven't tried to build one
myself yet.
However, you can capture lots of books (that can be
opened fully)
with a single camera, laying the book flat on a table
with a glass
on top. That's just like a flatbed scanner (but much
faster)
turned upside down.
In January 2008, I used a 10 megapixel Canon EOS 400D
(Digital
Rebel XTi) with a 50 mm lens to shoot this, laying
flat on a table
under a glass, http://runeberg.org/stridfin/0226.html
On that webpage, the image is reduced to 120 dpi (1.2
megapixel),
but the original is 300 dpi (7.5 megapixel). The map
shown is
reused in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Alavus
That's an example of how one specialized book can be
very useful
for a limited Wikiproject. This book was published in
1909 for the
100th anniversary of the Finnish War (1808-1809), and
digitized in
2008 for the 200th anniversary.
-- Lars Aronsson (lars@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se
Project Runeberg - free Nordic literature - http://runeberg.org/
Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
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2009/8/29 Birgitte SB birgitte_sb@yahoo.com:
Rather than buy some digitization equipment Wikimedia UK might be better off hiring an instructor for a workshop on making one of these scanners. If you can find enough people interested in attending. Then everyone will be scanning things that interest them personally and more likely to see the the projects through.
Birgitte SB
I agree.
See also in German:
http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Hilfe:Scannen_von_B%C3%BCchern
http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Etat (money from the German chapter for digitization on demand in libraries)
Klaus Graf
Klaus Graf wrote:
2009/8/29 Birgitte SB birgitte_sb@yahoo.com:
Rather than buy some digitization equipment Wikimedia UK might be better off hiring an instructor for a workshop on making one of these scanners. If you can find enough people interested in attending. Then everyone will be scanning things that interest them personally and more likely to see the the projects through.
Birgitte SB
I agree.
See also in German:
http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Hilfe:Scannen_von_B%C3%BCchern
http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Etat (money from the German chapter for digitization on demand in libraries)
Having read through the instructions for making these scanners, I'm sure that many people would find their construction difficult without instruction in person; the workshop would help. Whether having such a personal scanner would result in more projects getting finished is a marginal call. A lot of proposals are great ideas, but it's not until a project is started that the contributor realizes that an overwhelming amount of work is involved. A large number of volumes of /Popular Science/ was recently imported; that would not have happened if the individual had to scan all that material himself, even if he owned a personal scanner. That said, it still remains that the most important work that can be done in Wikisource does not happen until after the scanning is done.
It would probably help to have an English version of the noted help page in en:Wikisource.
I don't know that we are ready for subsidies yet, though in principle there would be a definite place for them at some future time. It will be up to the chapters to determine their own policies for what needs to be done, and to make sure that their limited funds are spent in a cost effective manner.
Ec
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