Dear Wikitech (cc'd Wikisource)
A recent discussion in English Wikisource's Scriptorium was querying why commercial book companies, etc. were getting higher search hits, especially where they may just have summary information, rather than full text. In that discussion someone pointed to some of the webmaster information at Google, eg. [1], which (ultimately) talks about their microformat (preferred) or JSON-LD as a means to put in more particular metadata as explained at schema.org (for creative works [2])
I went to play, and ultimately failed, and was pointed to the inability to <script> for security reasons, and the inability to add micodata (<cite user="bawolff">microdata attributes are implemented in MediaWiki, but currently disabled via $wgAllowMicrodataAttributes</cite> thx).
So my naive questions to those that know these things are 1) How do we look to improve external search engine hits for the sister sites where they are particularly pertinent to a search [wikipedia already gets Google special treatment] 2) if the schema.org metadata is a preferred means to progress, what is the recommended means to progress such an issue 3) presumably some of this fits into the discussion about Structured Data discussion, and what means is there to include this into that discussion?
Thanks for the guidance.
Regards, Billinghurst
[1] https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/3227642?hl=en&ref_topic=322... [2] http://www.schema.org/CreativeWork
There's always been a lot of discussion about page metadata and microdata but never any conclusion.
At some point I was tricked into believing that it.source used microdata (https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Progetto:Qualit%C3%A0/Semantizzazione ?), but clearly it doesn't. https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?q=https%3A%2F%2Fit.wiki... Compare: https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?q=https%3A%2F%2Fcommons...
Just make all those damned templates output something useful in the HTML!
Nemo
2014-12-07 10:17 GMT+01:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com:
There's always been a lot of discussion about page metadata and microdata but never any conclusion.
At some point I was tricked into believing that it.source used microdata ( https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Progetto:Qualit%C3%A0/Semantizzazione ?), but clearly it doesn't. https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets? q=https%3A%2F%2Fit.wikisource.org%2Fwiki%2FLe_avventure_d% 2527Alice_nel_paese_delle_meraviglie Compare: https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets? q=https%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile% 3AOenothera_rubricaulis_2014_G1.jpg
Just make all those damned templates output something useful in the HTML!
Nemo
The Author template has some microdata : https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?q=https%3A%2F%2Ffr.wiki...
But it could be so much better (we should and could easily use Wikidata for a start).
Cdlt, ~nicolas
Strong +1 to use Wikidata to retrieve back metadata. It's already done for authority control identifiers, at least on en, fr and ru Wikisources (and fr has migrated all its ids to Wikidata). I'll try to convert the Author: template of French Wikisource in order to make it use Wikidata in the next few weeks as a sample for other Wikisources.
Yes, it would be nice to be able to add microdata to wikitext, it may improve our Google rank. It may require a bit of development work in MediaWiki in order to make sure that that microdata are safe on the security level but I believe it should be feasible. I'm ready to help the person that will make this thing move forward.
The only strong issue I see is the (silly imho) microdata v.s. RDFa fight that isn't solved yet. I think we should advocate "these two things are coexisting, we should pick one and use it instead of waiting a few years more".
Thomas
Le 7 déc. 2014 à 10:37, Nicolas VIGNERON vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com a écrit :
2014-12-07 10:17 GMT+01:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com: There's always been a lot of discussion about page metadata and microdata but never any conclusion.
At some point I was tricked into believing that it.source used microdata (https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Progetto:Qualit%C3%A0/Semantizzazione ?), but clearly it doesn't. https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?q=https%3A%2F%2Fit.wiki... Compare: https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?q=https%3A%2F%2Fcommons...
Just make all those damned templates output something useful in the HTML!
Nemo
The Author template has some microdata : https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?q=https%3A%2F%2Ffr.wiki...
But it could be so much better (we should and could easily use Wikidata for a start).
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