I'm currently in Bloomington for a database workshop. There I met Stacy Kowalczyk, who is working on Indiana University's Digital Library program: http://www.dlib.indiana.edu/
I've already given Stacy a brief summary of Wikisource and where I see potential for collaboration (metadata, translation, proofreading..). I will still be here until Friday, so if you guys can come up with useful questions to ask or suggestions to relay, I can do so.
Three months have elapsed since the second wave of subdomains creation by Jens Frank, and little has been done to clean the main site.
Some subdomain admins do not even seem to be aware of the problem. I do think, however, that we have a problem, when duplicate versions of a text exist for several months...
In some cases, people imported texts on their subdomains and they did not blank the original pages, nor did they provide a list of the pages they imported. In some cases pages have been imported using the import function, in other cases they were just copy-pasted. Sometimes the imported pages have been renamed and the redirect deleted, which makes them difficult to track.
Sometimes people only seem to have imported a fraction of the text from the main site to their subdomain, whithout explaining the reasons for their choice. It could be that the texts they left on the main site are not eligible for wikisource, but how the hell am I supposed to know if I do not speak the language?
So far I deleted pages on the main site after checking that they were imported. But a lot of pages remain on the main site, that ough to belong to subdomains, and I am not able to tell whether they have been imported or not...
I would like to delete them, because their presence on the main site is confusing : some occasional contributors do not realize that a subdomain has been created, and they keep editing pages on ws.org, and adding new pages there.
In two words : it is a mess.
In the future, I do not want another subdomain to be created without there being someone in charge, who can supervise the import and quickly delete pages from ws.org.
For the moment, I am asking what to do with the pages on ws.org that sould be in a subdomain. Shall we delete them preventively, keeping in mind that we can restore them later if we realize they were not duplicates ?
Thomas / /
Fully support. No creation of new sources without having a good bureaucrat and admins. See what happened with some new domains in last months - one edit a month or so.
I quess, that pages where it is not clear and where there is no language category (like Telegu, Bulgarian...) will get a category like Unclear etc. (see also http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium#Languages_and_categories). On this way we can see what belongs here and what belongs to a subdomain. And everybody who creates a new page without a category must be contacted. Might be we should present a sentence in red letters to the edit window.
Jan
----- Original Message ----- From: "ThomasV" thomasV1@gmx.de To: wikisource-l@mail.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:26 PM Subject: [Wikisource-l] subdomains created 3 months ago
: Three months have elapsed since the second wave of subdomains creation : by Jens Frank, and little has been done to clean the main site. : : Some subdomain admins do not even seem to be aware of the problem. : I do think, however, that we have a problem, when duplicate versions of : a text exist for several months... : : In some cases, people imported texts on their subdomains and they did : not blank the original pages, nor did they provide a list of the pages they : imported. In some cases pages have been imported using the import : function, in other cases they were just copy-pasted. Sometimes the : imported pages have been renamed and the redirect deleted, which : makes them difficult to track. : : Sometimes people only seem to have imported a fraction of the text : from the main site to their subdomain, whithout explaining the reasons : for their choice. It could be that the texts they left on the main site are : not eligible for wikisource, but how the hell am I supposed to know if I : do not speak the language? : : So far I deleted pages on the main site after checking that they were : imported. But a lot of pages remain on the main site, that ough to : belong to subdomains, and I am not able to tell whether they have : been imported or not... : : I would like to delete them, because their presence on the main : site is confusing : some occasional contributors do not realize : that a subdomain has been created, and they keep editing pages : on ws.org, and adding new pages there. : : In two words : it is a mess. : : In the future, I do not want another subdomain to be created without : there being someone in charge, who can supervise the import and : quickly delete pages from ws.org. : : For the moment, I am asking what to do with the pages on ws.org : that sould be in a subdomain. Shall we delete them preventively, : keeping in mind that we can restore them later if we realize they : were not duplicates ? : : : Thomas : / : / : _______________________________________________ : Wikisource-l mailing list : Wikisource-l@mail.wikimedia.org : http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l :
On 9/1/06, ThomasV thomasV1@gmx.de wrote:
Three months have elapsed since the second wave of subdomains creation by Jens Frank, and little has been done to clean the main site.
Some subdomain admins do not even seem to be aware of the problem. I do think, however, that we have a problem, when duplicate versions of a text exist for several months...
In some cases, people imported texts on their subdomains and they did not blank the original pages, nor did they provide a list of the pages they imported. In some cases pages have been imported using the import function, in other cases they were just copy-pasted. Sometimes the imported pages have been renamed and the redirect deleted, which makes them difficult to track.
Sometimes people only seem to have imported a fraction of the text from the main site to their subdomain, whithout explaining the reasons for their choice. It could be that the texts they left on the main site are not eligible for wikisource, but how the hell am I supposed to know if I do not speak the language?
So far I deleted pages on the main site after checking that they were imported. But a lot of pages remain on the main site, that ough to belong to subdomains, and I am not able to tell whether they have been imported or not...
I would like to delete them, because their presence on the main site is confusing : some occasional contributors do not realize that a subdomain has been created, and they keep editing pages on ws.org, and adding new pages there.
In two words : it is a mess.
In the future, I do not want another subdomain to be created without there being someone in charge, who can supervise the import and quickly delete pages from ws.org.
For the moment, I am asking what to do with the pages on ws.org that sould be in a subdomain. Shall we delete them preventively, keeping in mind that we can restore them later if we realize they were not duplicates ?
Thomas
It's very much a mess. I think it should be a rule before a new language sub-domain is created that not only must there be a certain threshold from the Wikimedia community who support the creation of the subdomain (this will curb inactivity--I mean, how many of the recent languages created in the last batch are actually ACTIVE) all the pages MUST be categorized in anticipation of the page move.
This will make it easier for developers to mass move everything, or for local admins of the new wiki to use the import function and do it themselves. It will also give us an idea of which pages we can go ahead and delete. Wikisource.org is, putting it lightly, horridly cluttered because no one indicates which pages have been moved and so we keep them on that wiki for who knows how long.
I say that if we know that the pages ought to belong to an existing WS subdomain, we immediately delete them off the multi-WS. By now, everybody should have pulled the texts off the multi-WS and into their appropriate language domain; we shouldn't have to wait forever for those pages to be moved. Also, deleting them will give the languages which don't have their own domain some extra light (which is really the reason we're keeping ws.orgas a functional wiki: for the languages which don't have -- or aren't likely to get -- their own subdomain; keeping old pages that should be moved does no good at all).
Z
You could transwiki works for which a relevant subdomain exists; users on those subdomains could then complete the transwikis at their leisure, and delete any they already have. This solves both the redundancy and the confusion, and unclutters the oldwikisource.
(For information on transwikiing, see [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Transwiki].)
Yours sincerely, Jesse Martin (en-Wikisource administrator 'Pathoschild')
On 9/1/06, Ryan Dabler zhaladshar@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/1/06, ThomasV thomasV1@gmx.de wrote:
Three months have elapsed since the second wave of subdomains creation by Jens Frank, and little has been done to clean the main site.
Some subdomain admins do not even seem to be aware of the problem. I do think, however, that we have a problem, when duplicate versions of a text exist for several months...
In some cases, people imported texts on their subdomains and they did not blank the original pages, nor did they provide a list of the pages
they
imported. In some cases pages have been imported using the import function, in other cases they were just copy-pasted. Sometimes the imported pages have been renamed and the redirect deleted, which makes them difficult to track.
Sometimes people only seem to have imported a fraction of the text from the main site to their subdomain, whithout explaining the reasons for their choice. It could be that the texts they left on the main site
are
not eligible for wikisource, but how the hell am I supposed to know if I do not speak the language?
So far I deleted pages on the main site after checking that they were imported. But a lot of pages remain on the main site, that ough to belong to subdomains, and I am not able to tell whether they have been imported or not...
I would like to delete them, because their presence on the main site is confusing : some occasional contributors do not realize that a subdomain has been created, and they keep editing pages on ws.org, and adding new pages there.
In two words : it is a mess.
In the future, I do not want another subdomain to be created without there being someone in charge, who can supervise the import and quickly delete pages from ws.org.
For the moment, I am asking what to do with the pages on ws.org that sould be in a subdomain. Shall we delete them preventively, keeping in mind that we can restore them later if we realize they were not duplicates ?
Thomas
It's very much a mess. I think it should be a rule before a new language sub-domain is created that not only must there be a certain threshold from the Wikimedia community who support the creation of the subdomain (this will curb inactivity--I mean, how many of the recent languages created in the last batch are actually ACTIVE) all the pages MUST be categorized in anticipation of the page move.
This will make it easier for developers to mass move everything, or for local admins of the new wiki to use the import function and do it themselves. It will also give us an idea of which pages we can go ahead and delete. Wikisource.org is, putting it lightly, horridly cluttered because no one indicates which pages have been moved and so we keep them on that wiki for who knows how long. I say that if we know that the pages ought to belong to an existing WS subdomain, we immediately delete them off the multi-WS. By now, everybody should have pulled the texts off the multi-WS and into their appropriate language domain; we shouldn't have to wait forever for those pages to be moved. Also, deleting them will give the languages which don't have their own domain some extra light (which is really the reason we're keeping ws.org as a functional wiki: for the languages which don't have -- or aren't likely to get -- their own subdomain; keeping old pages that should be moved does no good at all).
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On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 04:31:21PM -0700, Ryan Dabler wrote:
On 9/1/06, ThomasV thomasV1@gmx.de wrote:
It's very much a mess. I think it should be a rule before a new language sub-domain is created that not only must there be a certain threshold from the Wikimedia community who support the creation of the subdomain (this will curb inactivity--I mean, how many of the recent languages created in the last batch are actually ACTIVE) all the pages MUST be categorized in anticipation of the page move.
The discussion about the policy should be at http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Language_domain_requests/Rules_for_vot...
If you change the policy there, please add an "approved" page, or use the general "approved" page on meta.
Regards,
Jens
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