Hello,
The process on the multilingual Wikisource domain is not covered by the language subcommittee yet; you'll notice that there is a redundant process at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/RFL#Wikisource. The secondary processes will eventually be merged into the Meta process (probably a combination of both, not simply removing one), but we want to make sure that the latter is working at a reasonable efficiency first. As your sarcasm indicates you already know, we've had some difficulty starting up.
I would suggest continuing to follow the Wikisource process, since the request is there. This process is the same as it was on Meta until the reform: file a bug request following community approval, and it might be done eventually. I'm sorry that we can't do anything more at the moment, but we're busy catching up on requests (for many projects, *not* only Wikipedias) that were filed through the subcommittee process in the transitional period.
Yours cordially, Jesse Martin (Pathoschild)
(This message is not an official statement of the language subcommittee.)
From: "Luiz Augusto" lugusto@gmail.com Hi
There is a successful and old request for opening a new wiki not yet fulfilled. Language prevention/creation committee/subcommittee or whatever/anything else, please forgive the MessagexXX.php paranoia and see requests for non-Wikipedias wikis a while.
# [[:oldwikisource:]] have a [[Wikisource:Language domain requests]] page. # This page have at least one successful request for a new Wikisource wiki: Tamil Wikisource (ta.wikisource) ## This have a large community support: http://wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Language_domain_requests&... ## This have "incubator" pages: http://wikisource.org/wiki/Category:Tamil ## This have a bugzilla request: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6982 ## The MessagesTa.php is avaiable at MediaWiki SVN repository ## There is someone interested on editing in this non-existing exactly now: http://wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A-jkb-&diff=215093&am... ## I've asked about it on the langcom wiki yesterday but no one apparentlyhave read it.
And, if the language prevention/creation committee/subcommittee or whatever/anything else isn't happy to increase the current amount of Wikimedia wikis, I found a good solution: open the ta.wikisource and close the ang.wikisource. No, no one have deleted the MessagesAng.php from subversion, this apparently has never created, but you can find a vote to close that wiki with large community support at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Old...
Best regards [[:m:User:555]]
Thanks for the answers, Pathoschild and GerardM. I know that the process to *request* to create a new Wikisource (and to request the creation of a new Wikinews or a new Wikiversity) have theirs particularities. But unfortunately I'm unable to found any documentation/policy page that explains if the langcom need to do a final word on these requests or not. Now I have five answers to this:
* The http://langcom.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page saying "a clear step-by-step policy (based on quantitative indicators) for evaluating the feasibility of new language wikis, with an automated procedure for project development;" (with no distinctions between projects) * The http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Language_proposal_policy saying "The proposal is to open a new language edition of an existing Wikimedia project that does not already exist (see the complete list of Wikimedia projects)" (with no distinctions between projects) * GerardM ignoring my specific question and doing a [[Ad nauseam]], followed by some [[Ad nauseam]] answers criticizing theirs statments (my Gmail trash is unfortunately queasy with a large amount of [[Ad nauseam]]s) * A (nice) on-topic reply made by Pathoschild with their POV pointing to a paragraph originally writen by me [1] based on the Wikisource Multilingual wiki policy
* The Wikisource creation policy itself.
Please langcom members, discuss internaly and release to the public if their committee need to do a final word on requestions for creation for new Wikisource/Wikinews/Wikiversity wikis or if theirs policy requirements to prevent a new wiki going to be created with 0 active users and 0 pages is sufficient to make a bugzilla request. And please someone write a few lines to be cuted-and-pasted at wikisource.org/wiki/ explaing about the possibles reasons for the delays on the creation for new Wikisources wikis.
And please, related to the Tamil Wikisource specific situation: why this don't have yet a wiki? Technical problems? Just no one with free time to set this wiki up? Just others than me with the same questions related to the "final word"? No sufficient pages at [[:oldwikisource:]] "incubator"? (if the problem is the last one, the most recent Wikisource, mk.wikisource, has been created with only the "Main page" at the "incubator" and now have 308 "articles" apart the last edit on that wiki is from 27 February from this year).
Please keep on topic on replies. Please. Please.
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages&d... , based on a previous http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Pathoschild&diff=n...
On 4/1/07, Jesse Martin (Pathoschild) pathoschild@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
The process on the multilingual Wikisource domain is not covered by the language subcommittee yet; you'll notice that there is a redundant process at < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/RFL#Wikisource%3E. The secondary processes will eventually be merged into the Meta process (probably a combination of both, not simply removing one), but we want to make sure that the latter is working at a reasonable efficiency first. As your sarcasm indicates you already know, we've had some difficulty starting up.
I would suggest continuing to follow the Wikisource process, since the request is there. This process is the same as it was on Meta until the reform: file a bug request following community approval, and it might be done eventually. I'm sorry that we can't do anything more at the moment, but we're busy catching up on requests (for many projects, *not* only Wikipedias) that were filed through the subcommittee process in the transitional period.
Yours cordially, Jesse Martin (Pathoschild)
(This message is not an official statement of the language subcommittee.)
From: "Luiz Augusto" lugusto@gmail.com Hi
There is a successful and old request for opening a new wiki not yet fulfilled. Language prevention/creation committee/subcommittee or whatever/anything else, please forgive the MessagexXX.php paranoia and
see
requests for non-Wikipedias wikis a while.
# [[:oldwikisource:]] have a [[Wikisource:Language domain requests]]
page.
# This page have at least one successful request for a new Wikisource
wiki:
Tamil Wikisource (ta.wikisource) ## This have a large community support:
http://wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Language_domain_requests&...
## This have "incubator" pages:
http://wikisource.org/wiki/Category:Tamil
## This have a bugzilla request: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6982 ## The MessagesTa.php is avaiable at MediaWiki SVN repository ## There is someone interested on editing in this non-existing exactly
now:
http://wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A-jkb-&diff=215093&am...
## I've asked about it on the langcom wiki yesterday but no one apparentlyhave read it.
And, if the language prevention/creation committee/subcommittee or whatever/anything else isn't happy to increase the current amount of Wikimedia wikis, I found a good solution: open the ta.wikisource and
close
the ang.wikisource. No, no one have deleted the MessagesAng.php from subversion, this apparently has never created, but you can find a vote
to
close that wiki with large community support at:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Old...
Best regards [[:m:User:555]]
-- Yours cordially, Jesse Martin (Pathoschild)
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Hello,
The developers usually want approval by the subcommittee or the board before creating a new language subdomain. The language subcommittee has developed the language proposal policy http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WM:LPP to provide a clear step-by-step policy on getting approval, but the Wikisource creation policy is not equivalent.
Unfortunately, this means that most or all requests on the multilingual Wikisource do not fit the requirements and will need to be re-opened under the language proposal policy, in particular regarding the use of arguments rather than simple votes.
Fortunately, the existence of an active test project (whether on the incubator or the multilingual Wikisource) will mean that the request can be fast-tracked if there are insufficient arguments against in the new request. Requests for more projects in a language already established in another project can be fast-tracked even further.
I apologize for the delay and inconvenience; once the new process is fully settled in there should be much less hassle.
Yours cordially, Jesse Martin (Pathoschild)
Hi, thanks for your reply. Now the discussion continues on http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium#Wikisource:Language_domain...
On 4/1/07, Jesse Martin (Pathoschild) pathoschild@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
The developers usually want approval by the subcommittee or the board before creating a new language subdomain. The language subcommittee has developed the language proposal policy http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WM:LPP to provide a clear step-by-step policy on getting approval, but the Wikisource creation policy is not equivalent.
Unfortunately, this means that most or all requests on the multilingual Wikisource do not fit the requirements and will need to be re-opened under the language proposal policy, in particular regarding the use of arguments rather than simple votes.
Fortunately, the existence of an active test project (whether on the incubator or the multilingual Wikisource) will mean that the request can be fast-tracked if there are insufficient arguments against in the new request. Requests for more projects in a language already established in another project can be fast-tracked even further.
I apologize for the delay and inconvenience; once the new process is fully settled in there should be much less hassle.
Yours cordially, Jesse Martin (Pathoschild)
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Hi. Comment from wikisource.org.
Last summer there was a surprizing creating of some 19 new subdomains of Wikisource without discussing it on the pages of the multilingual wikisource. It turned out, that the most of the new subdomains are dead up to today (see http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/Jan_2006_-_Dec_20...). Then we made a proposal for new rules and decided, when we shall recommend a creation of a new subdomain to avoid that. As in the past, the decision for support should be made on the multilingual wikisource as the admins there have a great experience with the languages and know how they work.
Therefore I was very glad that Luiz Augusto helped me to clear the question of the Tamil subdomain: the request is very very old, and there is the danger, that the users will loose their interest after waiting for more then half a year.
There has been no notice about a change of the policy concerning Wikisource on the pages of the multilingual Wikisource. There fore the news are a bit surprizing for me. But nevertheless, I will support any sollution which will guarantee that there will be created subdomains which do not work. But it must be clear which sollution it is. I will try to discuss this with orher admins and hope to get some help from the others.
-jkb-
----- Original Message ----- From: Luiz Augusto To: discussion list for Wikisource,the free library ; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] [Foundation-l] A successful request not yetfulfilled (was Language Prevention Committee created)
Hi, thanks for your reply. Now the discussion continues on http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium#Wikisource:Language_domain...
On 4/1/07, Jesse Martin (Pathoschild) pathoschild@gmail.com wrote: Hello,
The developers usually want approval by the subcommittee or the board before creating a new language subdomain. The language subcommittee has developed the language proposal policy < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WM:LPP%3E to provide a clear step-by-step policy on getting approval, but the Wikisource creation policy is not equivalent.
Unfortunately, this means that most or all requests on the multilingual Wikisource do not fit the requirements and will need to be re-opened under the language proposal policy, in particular regarding the use of arguments rather than simple votes.
Fortunately, the existence of an active test project (whether on the incubator or the multilingual Wikisource) will mean that the request can be fast-tracked if there are insufficient arguments against in the new request. Requests for more projects in a language already established in another project can be fast-tracked even further.
I apologize for the delay and inconvenience; once the new process is fully settled in there should be much less hassle.
Yours cordially, Jesse Martin (Pathoschild)
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