FYI: Danny was saying good things towards us in a Wikimedia-l thread, so I replied as you see below. Good job, guys.
Aubrey
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Danny Horn dhorn@wikimedia.org wrote:
The Wikisource community did a tremendous job in showing up and giving support to the Wikisource proposals. The top wishes in that category got 41 and 39 votes, which is really impressive considering the relative size of the projects.
The discussion on using Google's OCR in Indic language Wikisource is especially interesting -- a lively debate about finding the right solution to what is clearly a deeply-felt need from a community that's working really hard to add their languages' knowledge to the movement. I hope that having that debate here is a step towards a larger discussion about how we can support Wikisource projects.
Thanks, Danny. In the Wikisource Conference, held in Vienna from 20 to 22 November, we discussed a lot about what Wikisource needs to reach it's full potential as a project. We decided to agree on a priority list (here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wscon2015needs) and also to participate in the Survey.
But, if you feel brave enough, there is the whole 665 lines Etherpad here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wscon2015weekend [1]
Wikisource, as a project, is completely dependent on the Proofread Page Extension [2]. Unfortunately, the extension is maintained by volunteers only (I think, just one: Tpt). Also, the extension doesn't support RTL languages: so Wikisources in arabic, hebrew, farsi, indic languages don't really work as the others.
This is to be added to the fact that there is no good embedded OCR for Indic languages, right now.
And, finally, to the simple fact that we'd love to have the Visual Editor, *within* the ProofreadPage Extension, as Wikisource uses a *lot* of formatting, and that could enable many, many more users in proofreading and validating pages.
Of course, we are a small community, but we're trying really hard to make our case. At the moment, to the best of my knowledge, there is no, and there's never been, any software development dedicated to Wikisource from the WMF.
Aubrey (also a member of the Wikisource Community User Group)
[1] I hereby claim this as the longest Etherpad written by a group of wikimedians (~40). I hope there is a prize for it. You can even read the Wikisource mission forged and translated in real time in 21 languages (line 564). [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Proofread_Page
Hi,
Thanks Andrea for your reply in Wikimedia-I thread.
Thanks to all, who participated in the survey and voted for us.
But the community wishlist survey for this year is over now and no Wikisource proposal succeeded to get a place in top 10, we are back to pavilion once again.
Now, as we made our priority list of needs in the Wikisource Conference in Vienna, so that WMF can work on it, it is time to look into that matter, follow-up each needs and get things done. Let's figure out how.
Regards Bodhisattwa On 17 Dec 2015 02:48, "Andrea Zanni" zanni.andrea84@gmail.com wrote:
FYI: Danny was saying good things towards us in a Wikimedia-l thread, so I replied as you see below. Good job, guys.
Aubrey
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Danny Horn dhorn@wikimedia.org wrote:
The Wikisource community did a tremendous job in showing up and giving support to the Wikisource proposals. The top wishes in that category got 41 and 39 votes, which is really impressive considering the relative size of the projects.
The discussion on using Google's OCR in Indic language Wikisource is especially interesting -- a lively debate about finding the right solution to what is clearly a deeply-felt need from a community that's working really hard to add their languages' knowledge to the movement. I hope that having that debate here is a step towards a larger discussion about how we can support Wikisource projects.
Thanks, Danny. In the Wikisource Conference, held in Vienna from 20 to 22 November, we discussed a lot about what Wikisource needs to reach it's full potential as a project. We decided to agree on a priority list (here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wscon2015needs) and also to participate in the Survey.
But, if you feel brave enough, there is the whole 665 lines Etherpad here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wscon2015weekend [1]
Wikisource, as a project, is completely dependent on the Proofread Page Extension [2]. Unfortunately, the extension is maintained by volunteers only (I think, just one: Tpt). Also, the extension doesn't support RTL languages: so Wikisources in arabic, hebrew, farsi, indic languages don't really work as the others.
This is to be added to the fact that there is no good embedded OCR for Indic languages, right now.
And, finally, to the simple fact that we'd love to have the Visual Editor, *within* the ProofreadPage Extension, as Wikisource uses a *lot* of formatting, and that could enable many, many more users in proofreading and validating pages.
Of course, we are a small community, but we're trying really hard to make our case. At the moment, to the best of my knowledge, there is no, and there's never been, any software development dedicated to Wikisource from the WMF.
Aubrey (also a member of the Wikisource Community User Group)
[1] I hereby claim this as the longest Etherpad written by a group of wikimedians (~40). I hope there is a prize for it. You can even read the Wikisource mission forged and translated in real time in 21 languages (line 564). [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Proofread_Page
Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
There was a misunderstanding during the conference. ProofreadPage extension works on RTL wikis.
https://ar.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:IndexPages https://he.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:IndexPages
Pyb
2015-12-17 1:38 GMT+01:00 Bodhisattwa Mandal bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com:
Hi,
Thanks Andrea for your reply in Wikimedia-I thread.
Thanks to all, who participated in the survey and voted for us.
But the community wishlist survey for this year is over now and no Wikisource proposal succeeded to get a place in top 10, we are back to pavilion once again.
Now, as we made our priority list of needs in the Wikisource Conference in Vienna, so that WMF can work on it, it is time to look into that matter, follow-up each needs and get things done. Let's figure out how.
Regards Bodhisattwa On 17 Dec 2015 02:48, "Andrea Zanni" zanni.andrea84@gmail.com wrote:
FYI: Danny was saying good things towards us in a Wikimedia-l thread, so I replied as you see below. Good job, guys.
Aubrey
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Danny Horn dhorn@wikimedia.org wrote:
The Wikisource community did a tremendous job in showing up and giving support to the Wikisource proposals. The top wishes in that category got 41 and 39 votes, which is really impressive considering the relative size of the projects.
The discussion on using Google's OCR in Indic language Wikisource is especially interesting -- a lively debate about finding the right solution to what is clearly a deeply-felt need from a community that's working really hard to add their languages' knowledge to the movement. I hope that having that debate here is a step towards a larger discussion about how we can support Wikisource projects.
Thanks, Danny. In the Wikisource Conference, held in Vienna from 20 to 22 November, we discussed a lot about what Wikisource needs to reach it's full potential as a project. We decided to agree on a priority list (here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wscon2015needs) and also to participate in the Survey.
But, if you feel brave enough, there is the whole 665 lines Etherpad here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wscon2015weekend [1]
Wikisource, as a project, is completely dependent on the Proofread Page Extension [2]. Unfortunately, the extension is maintained by volunteers only (I think, just one: Tpt). Also, the extension doesn't support RTL languages: so Wikisources in arabic, hebrew, farsi, indic languages don't really work as the others.
This is to be added to the fact that there is no good embedded OCR for Indic languages, right now.
And, finally, to the simple fact that we'd love to have the Visual Editor, *within* the ProofreadPage Extension, as Wikisource uses a *lot* of formatting, and that could enable many, many more users in proofreading and validating pages.
Of course, we are a small community, but we're trying really hard to make our case. At the moment, to the best of my knowledge, there is no, and there's never been, any software development dedicated to Wikisource from the WMF.
Aubrey (also a member of the Wikisource Community User Group)
[1] I hereby claim this as the longest Etherpad written by a group of wikimedians (~40). I hope there is a prize for it. You can even read the Wikisource mission forged and translated in real time in 21 languages (line 564). [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Proofread_Page
Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Quim Gil also mentioned the Hackathon 2016 in Israel (Thursday to Sunday March 31 - April 4) may be a good opportunity http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/opportunity.html to address some wishes regarding Wikisource, especially to the hebrew(-RTL)-community. * https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119703 * https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96826
I had the pleasure to meet Quim at the Wikiconventions 2014 and 2015 in Cologne and Dresden. It made me happy today, to see he is (also) interested in the (software)development of this project.
I think that is a very good opportunity for Wikisource. Let's use it.
Anika
2015-12-16 22:17 GMT+01:00 Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com:
FYI: Danny was saying good things towards us in a Wikimedia-l thread, so I replied as you see below. Good job, guys.
Aubrey
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Danny Horn dhorn@wikimedia.org wrote:
The Wikisource community did a tremendous job in showing up and giving support to the Wikisource proposals. The top wishes in that category got 41 and 39 votes, which is really impressive considering the relative size of the projects.
The discussion on using Google's OCR in Indic language Wikisource is especially interesting -- a lively debate about finding the right solution to what is clearly a deeply-felt need from a community that's working really hard to add their languages' knowledge to the movement. I hope that having that debate here is a step towards a larger discussion about how we can support Wikisource projects.
Thanks, Danny. In the Wikisource Conference, held in Vienna from 20 to 22 November, we discussed a lot about what Wikisource needs to reach it's full potential as a project. We decided to agree on a priority list (here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wscon2015needs) and also to participate in the Survey.
But, if you feel brave enough, there is the whole 665 lines Etherpad here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wscon2015weekend [1]
Wikisource, as a project, is completely dependent on the Proofread Page Extension [2]. Unfortunately, the extension is maintained by volunteers only (I think, just one: Tpt). Also, the extension doesn't support RTL languages: so Wikisources in arabic, hebrew, farsi, indic languages don't really work as the others.
This is to be added to the fact that there is no good embedded OCR for Indic languages, right now.
And, finally, to the simple fact that we'd love to have the Visual Editor, *within* the ProofreadPage Extension, as Wikisource uses a *lot* of formatting, and that could enable many, many more users in proofreading and validating pages.
Of course, we are a small community, but we're trying really hard to make our case. At the moment, to the best of my knowledge, there is no, and there's never been, any software development dedicated to Wikisource from the WMF.
Aubrey (also a member of the Wikisource Community User Group)
[1] I hereby claim this as the longest Etherpad written by a group of wikimedians (~40). I hope there is a prize for it. You can even read the Wikisource mission forged and translated in real time in 21 languages (line 564). [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Proofread_Page
Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
I'll paste here the mail from Quim Gil:
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Hi, while I know that this is not the solution to your problems, let me say that if you want a Wikisource focus area at the Wikimedia Hackathon in Jerusalem (31 March - 3 April), the time to decide this is now, and the place is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119703
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com wrote:
What wikisource lacks is development to core software, not only external, cool tools, which are fine but in the end don't really solve problems.
Some of the "core software" can be developed with the help of IEGs, developer outreach programs, and hackathons. These activities are not reserved for "external, cool tools" only.
One step that could be useful regardless would be to reflect the most urgent/important "core software" development needs at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/wikisource/board/ , in epic/task units, associating the actual projects related to them.
I can elaborate further and bore you with details but, ina nutshell, we
just need commitment from people who can bring theirlines ofcode into production. As Wikisource is formally a Wikimedia project, and provides
its
tiny contribution to the mission and also to fundraising, I would expect a commitment of this sort coming from WMF.
I think the WMF would also like to have a clear strategy about the developer investment required for Wikisource and other projects with specific needs. In the next months we are going to discuss the Annual Plan for July 2016-June 2017, and I recommend the Wikisource community to make their voice heard in that context.
Meanwhile, the tiny and humble Developer Relations team is happy to help you in the practical and pragmatic ways that we can help you right now. :)
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Anika Born WikiAnika@wikipedia.de wrote:
Quim Gil also mentioned the Hackathon 2016 in Israel (Thursday to Sunday March 31 - April 4) may be a good opportunity http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/opportunity.html to address some wishes regarding Wikisource, especially to the hebrew(-RTL)-community.
I had the pleasure to meet Quim at the Wikiconventions 2014 and 2015 in Cologne and Dresden. It made me happy today, to see he is (also) interested in the (software)development of this project.
I think that is a very good opportunity for Wikisource. Let's use it.
Anika
2015-12-16 22:17 GMT+01:00 Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com:
FYI: Danny was saying good things towards us in a Wikimedia-l thread, so I replied as you see below. Good job, guys.
Aubrey
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Danny Horn dhorn@wikimedia.org wrote:
The Wikisource community did a tremendous job in showing up and giving support to the Wikisource proposals. The top wishes in that category got 41 and 39 votes, which is really impressive considering the relative size of the projects.
The discussion on using Google's OCR in Indic language Wikisource is especially interesting -- a lively debate about finding the right solution to what is clearly a deeply-felt need from a community that's working really hard to add their languages' knowledge to the movement. I hope that having that debate here is a step towards a larger discussion about how we can support Wikisource projects.
Thanks, Danny. In the Wikisource Conference, held in Vienna from 20 to 22 November, we discussed a lot about what Wikisource needs to reach it's full potential as a project. We decided to agree on a priority list (here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wscon2015needs) and also to participate in the Survey.
But, if you feel brave enough, there is the whole 665 lines Etherpad here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wscon2015weekend [1]
Wikisource, as a project, is completely dependent on the Proofread Page Extension [2]. Unfortunately, the extension is maintained by volunteers only (I think, just one: Tpt). Also, the extension doesn't support RTL languages: so Wikisources in arabic, hebrew, farsi, indic languages don't really work as the others.
This is to be added to the fact that there is no good embedded OCR for Indic languages, right now.
And, finally, to the simple fact that we'd love to have the Visual Editor, *within* the ProofreadPage Extension, as Wikisource uses a *lot* of formatting, and that could enable many, many more users in proofreading and validating pages.
Of course, we are a small community, but we're trying really hard to make our case. At the moment, to the best of my knowledge, there is no, and there's never been, any software development dedicated to Wikisource from the WMF.
Aubrey (also a member of the Wikisource Community User Group)
[1] I hereby claim this as the longest Etherpad written by a group of wikimedians (~40). I hope there is a prize for it. You can even read the Wikisource mission forged and translated in real time in 21 languages (line 564). [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Proofread_Page
Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Yes, the Hackathon would certainly be a good place to send Tpt! :-D
Also, other technically skilled users who want to join, and can help other developers to solve issue regarding Wikisource.
Aubrey
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Anika Born WikiAnika@wikipedia.de wrote:
Quim Gil also mentioned the Hackathon 2016 in Israel (Thursday to Sunday March 31 - April 4) may be a good opportunity http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/opportunity.html to address some wishes regarding Wikisource, especially to the hebrew(-RTL)-community.
I had the pleasure to meet Quim at the Wikiconventions 2014 and 2015 in Cologne and Dresden. It made me happy today, to see he is (also) interested in the (software)development of this project.
I think that is a very good opportunity for Wikisource. Let's use it.
Anika
2015-12-16 22:17 GMT+01:00 Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com:
FYI: Danny was saying good things towards us in a Wikimedia-l thread, so I replied as you see below. Good job, guys.
Aubrey
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Danny Horn dhorn@wikimedia.org wrote:
The Wikisource community did a tremendous job in showing up and giving support to the Wikisource proposals. The top wishes in that category got 41 and 39 votes, which is really impressive considering the relative size of the projects.
The discussion on using Google's OCR in Indic language Wikisource is especially interesting -- a lively debate about finding the right solution to what is clearly a deeply-felt need from a community that's working really hard to add their languages' knowledge to the movement. I hope that having that debate here is a step towards a larger discussion about how we can support Wikisource projects.
Thanks, Danny. In the Wikisource Conference, held in Vienna from 20 to 22 November, we discussed a lot about what Wikisource needs to reach it's full potential as a project. We decided to agree on a priority list (here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wscon2015needs) and also to participate in the Survey.
But, if you feel brave enough, there is the whole 665 lines Etherpad here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wscon2015weekend [1]
Wikisource, as a project, is completely dependent on the Proofread Page Extension [2]. Unfortunately, the extension is maintained by volunteers only (I think, just one: Tpt). Also, the extension doesn't support RTL languages: so Wikisources in arabic, hebrew, farsi, indic languages don't really work as the others.
This is to be added to the fact that there is no good embedded OCR for Indic languages, right now.
And, finally, to the simple fact that we'd love to have the Visual Editor, *within* the ProofreadPage Extension, as Wikisource uses a *lot* of formatting, and that could enable many, many more users in proofreading and validating pages.
Of course, we are a small community, but we're trying really hard to make our case. At the moment, to the best of my knowledge, there is no, and there's never been, any software development dedicated to Wikisource from the WMF.
Aubrey (also a member of the Wikisource Community User Group)
[1] I hereby claim this as the longest Etherpad written by a group of wikimedians (~40). I hope there is a prize for it. You can even read the Wikisource mission forged and translated in real time in 21 languages (line 564). [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Proofread_Page
Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Yes, the Hackathon would certainly be a good place to send Tpt! :-D
Definitely ;-) I have already booked the hackathon week-end on my calendar!
Cheers,
Thomas
Le 17 déc. 2015 à 18:37, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com a écrit :
Yes, the Hackathon would certainly be a good place to send Tpt! :-D
Also, other technically skilled users who want to join, and can help other developers to solve issue regarding Wikisource.
Aubrey
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Anika Born WikiAnika@wikipedia.de wrote: Quim Gil also mentioned the Hackathon 2016 in Israel (Thursday to Sunday March 31 - April 4) may be a good opportunity to address some wishes regarding Wikisource, especially to the hebrew(-RTL)-community.
I had the pleasure to meet Quim at the Wikiconventions 2014 and 2015 in Cologne and Dresden. It made me happy today, to see he is (also) interested in the (software)development of this project.
I think that is a very good opportunity for Wikisource. Let's use it.
Anika
2015-12-16 22:17 GMT+01:00 Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com: FYI: Danny was saying good things towards us in a Wikimedia-l thread, so I replied as you see below. Good job, guys.
Aubrey
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Danny Horn dhorn@wikimedia.org wrote: The Wikisource community did a tremendous job in showing up and giving support to the Wikisource proposals. The top wishes in that category got 41 and 39 votes, which is really impressive considering the relative size of the projects.
The discussion on using Google's OCR in Indic language Wikisource is especially interesting -- a lively debate about finding the right solution to what is clearly a deeply-felt need from a community that's working really hard to add their languages' knowledge to the movement. I hope that having that debate here is a step towards a larger discussion about how we can support Wikisource projects.
Thanks, Danny. In the Wikisource Conference, held in Vienna from 20 to 22 November, we discussed a lot about what Wikisource needs to reach it's full potential as a project. We decided to agree on a priority list (here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wscon2015needs) and also to participate in the Survey.
But, if you feel brave enough, there is the whole 665 lines Etherpad here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wscon2015weekend [1]
Wikisource, as a project, is completely dependent on the Proofread Page Extension [2]. Unfortunately, the extension is maintained by volunteers only (I think, just one: Tpt). Also, the extension doesn't support RTL languages: so Wikisources in arabic, hebrew, farsi, indic languages don't really work as the others.
This is to be added to the fact that there is no good embedded OCR for Indic languages, right now.
And, finally, to the simple fact that we'd love to have the Visual Editor, *within* the ProofreadPage Extension, as Wikisource uses a *lot* of formatting, and that could enable many, many more users in proofreading and validating pages.
Of course, we are a small community, but we're trying really hard to make our case. At the moment, to the best of my knowledge, there is no, and there's never been, any software development dedicated to Wikisource from the WMF.
Aubrey (also a member of the Wikisource Community User Group)
[1] I hereby claim this as the longest Etherpad written by a group of wikimedians (~40). I hope there is a prize for it. You can even read the Wikisource mission forged and translated in real time in 21 languages (line 564). [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Proofread_Page
Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
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