Le 24/03/2018 à 16:22, billinghurst a écrit :

Though that would defeat the purpose of online proofreading with account verification. Some of the true value of our online process is that contribution builds a level of trust and knowledge and that is reflected in both our patrolling and the allocation of autopatrolled status.

How providing tools to make batch work offline would interfere in anyway with that? Once the work is done, it can be uploaded to Wikisource with whichever account the user want.

Actually, to my mind, the main benefit of the online aspect is the peer to peer production model. Also there is no need of a central node carrying accounts to take into account the trust given to a particular contributor. There is digital signature technologies such as gpg for example. Having a central node with a web interface just makes things easier for most users, it doesn't improve the trustability of the environment. On the contrary, with a single point of failure, we actually rely on a weaker solution on this regard.

Also how would you have access to templates, and components like that from off-line?

Well, that just show how innefecient are this tools to continue to contribute while being offline. It's allways possible to install Mediawiki and download required templates, but currently this process seems way to complicated, doesn't it.

Also we generally cannot download the images separately as that is usually part of the later clean-up where people have the technical skills.

I'm afraid the term "image" misguided your answer. It's seems you interpreted that as picture elements from files, while I was talking about this files themselves.

So yes, there is the capacity to have the text and proofread the text, that actual checking the text against the image is not the sole component of proofreading, and further it would not be at all helpful for validation.

There is nothing magic about working directly in a browser. People do download and upload all the required material anyway, but on a page per page base. The result is just as valid as it is done when transactions are operated on a file repository level.

Cheers

Thank you Nahum,

Could you indicate which OCR solution you are using?

Le 26/03/2018 à 17:27, Nahum Wengrov a écrit :

I frequently work offline on he.wikisource. I download the entire pdf file from commons to my hard drive, and OCR the page I need myself. One can use the OCR of wikisource and download the text too, I guess, page by page. Then I proof the text in a Word document, open to the lower half of my screen, with the pdf open on the upper half of the screen, where I go to the page I need with acrobat reader, and scroll both windows down or up as needed.

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:21 AM, mathieu stumpf guntz <psychoslave@culture-libre.org mailto:psychoslave@culture-libre.org> wrote:

Le 24/03/2018 à 16:22, billinghurst a écrit :

...

Though that would defeat the purpose of online proofreading with
account verification. Some of the true value of our online
process is that contribution builds a level of trust and
knowledge and that is reflected in both our patrolling and the
allocation of autopatrolled status.

How providing tools to make batch work offline would interfere in
anyway with that? Once the work is done, it can be uploaded to
Wikisource with whichever account the user want.

Actually, to my mind, the main benefit of the online aspect is the
peer to peer production model. Also there is no need of a central
node carrying accounts to take into account the trust given to a
particular contributor. There is digital signature technologies
such as gpg for example. Having a central node with a web
interface just makes things easier for most users, it doesn't
improve the trustability of the environment. On the contrary, with
a single point of failure, we actually rely on a weaker solution
on this regard.

...

 Also how would you have access to templates, and components like
that from off-line?

Well, that just show how innefecient are this tools to continue to
contribute while being offline. It's allways possible to install
Mediawiki and download required templates, but currently this
process seems way to complicated, doesn't it.

...

Also we generally cannot download the images separately as that
is usually part of the later clean-up where people have the
technical skills.

I'm afraid the term "image" misguided your answer. It's seems you
interpreted that as picture elements from files, while I was
talking about this files themselves.

...

So yes, there is the capacity to have the text and proofread the
text, that actual checking the text against the image is not the
sole component of proofreading, and further it would not be at
all helpful for validation.

There is nothing magic about working directly in a browser. People
do download and upload all the required material anyway, but on a
page per page base. The result is just as valid as it is done when
transactions are operated on a file repository level.

Cheers

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