Wikisource-l July 2010

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Partnership with the French National Library
by Seb35 29 Jul '10

29 Jul '10

Hei, I'm from the French chapter, Wikimédia France, and I want to annonce a good news for Wikisource. Some months ago Wikimédia France signed a partnership ("small" but significant in France) with the French National Library (BnF) who gives to Wikisource 1400 texts with their OCR [1]. Today these books arrived on Commons [2] and are ready to be checked by the Wikisource community. The list is available on [3], the range of books covers many century, different levels of confidence in the OCR and different subjects, but most of them are in French. Now there is work for 800 years say somebody, 20 years for another, 'don't know, we'll see :-) Wikimedially, Sébastien/Seb35 (I'm presently at Wikimania, Gdańsk, Poland) [1] http://www.wikimedia.fr/wikimédia-france-and-french-national-library-enter-… [2] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Books_provided_by_the_BNF [3] http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Dialogue_BnF/Liste_de_textes_fourn…

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Kicking off the 2010-2011 fundraiser
by Philippe Beaudette 23 Jul '10

23 Jul '10

[[Please distribute widely to various language communities, projects, and chapters]] Hi All, I'd like to begin a conversation about the 2010-2011 Fundraiser, which isn't slated to launch for a few months, but for which we'd like to get community involvement early and often. As you no doubt are aware, the strategic plan calls for the "many small gifts" model to be the centerpiece of our funding strategy, so our community fundraiser is one of the key methods by which we finance and underwrite the operations of the projects. The fundraiser this year will probably, as in earlier years, be primarily banner driven. We're going to have a strong emphasis on testing and iterating ideas, with a defined methodological testing plan. But the most important part of what we - all of us - are going to need to do is what this community has always been good at: thinking, researching, and iterating. With that in mind, it's important to identify people who want to help. Of course, anyone's welcome to join in and help at any time, but there's a definite need for people who are willing to be deeply involved from now to the wrap up... people who want to be creative but rigorous, innovative but willing to learn from the past, and most of all, to serve as an active part of the team working on this fundraiser. There will, of course, be Foundation staff deeply involved in this, but there's a real need for people from the community to step up and help us design this thing. If you're willing to help, would you add your name to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010/Committee ? We'll be in contact - soon - to get things started. Thanks, Philippe ____________________ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation philippe(a)wikimedia.org ofc: +1 415 839 6885 (x 643) mobile: 918 200 WIKI (9454) Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate

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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Foundation-l] Wikisource and reCAPTCHA
by Samuel J Klein 19 Jul '10

19 Jul '10

Hello Aubrey, On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Aubrey <zanni.andrea84(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The issue of metadata is nontheless serious, because it's one of the most > important flaws of Wikisource: not applying standards (i.e Dublin Core) and not > having a proper tools for export/import and harvest metadata Both good points. Are there proposals on wikisource to address these two points in a way that's friendly to wikisource contributors? >> I want us to get better, faster, less held up by the idea of >> coordinating with other projects, because there are much larger >> projects out there worthy of coordinating with. The annotators who >> work on the Perseus Project come to mind... but that's truly a harder >> problem than this one. > > The Perseus project is an *amazing* project, but I regard them far more ahead > than us. The PP is actually a Virtual Research Environment, with tools for > scholars and researcher for studying texts, (concordances and similar stuff). < > I would love to have PP people involved in collaboration with Wikisource, just > don't know if this is possible. Yes, PP is ahead of us in some ways. But in other ways they have run into bottleneck and multilingual issues that a wiki environment can resolve. I believe that Prof. Greg Crane of the Perseus Project (cc:ed here) is interested in starting to collaborate with Wikisource, even while pursuing ideas about developing a larger framework for wiki-style annotations and editions. While it may be hard in the short term, in the long term that's what I think we all want wikisource to become. > It is interesting because a project similar to PGDP (it is Italian and started > in 1993, emulating the glorious PG, just with Italian texts) is, right now, > moving to a wiki. Although the scale is way smaller, Wikipedia and Wikisource > showed them a system which tends to eliminate bottlenecks, and for them this is > becoming crucial. < > Luckily, the relationships with the Italian Wikisource are really good, and > they'll probably share an office with Wikimedia Italy, in October. > The interesting fact is that the offices will be within a library ;-), so I > really expect a collaboration there. Wow. This is all great to hear -- can you include a link to the project? I'd like to blog about it. Warmly, SJ

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Dublin Core and TEI
by Ray Saintonge 18 Jul '10

18 Jul '10

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Dublin Core and TEI
by John Vandenberg 16 Jul '10

16 Jul '10

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Aubrey <zanni.andrea84(a)gmail.com> wrote: >... > > The issue of metadata is nontheless serious, because it's one of the most > important flaws of Wikisource: not applying standards (i.e Dublin Core) and not > having a proper tools for export/import and harvest metadata is still make us > amateurs, at least for "real" digital libraries (who focus mainly on the > metadata stuff, and sometimes provide either texts or images (it is really rare > to have both)). This is also a problem with Wikimedia Commons. http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Dublin_Core > The Perseus project is an *amazing* project, but I regard them far more ahead > than us. The PP is actually a Virtual Research Environment, with tools for > scholars and researcher for studying texts, (concordances and similar stuff). I agree. I would go further; PP will always be far more advanced than a mediawiki system. They store their data in TEI format, which is an extremely rich standard. Wikisource can incorporate some of the TEI concepts by using templates, but I doubt we could ever be a leader in this area, nor do I think we want to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_Encoding_Initiative > It happens that I just finished my Master thesis about collaborative digital > libraries for scholars (in the Italian context), and the outcome is quite clear: > researcher do want collaborative tools in DLs, but wiki system are > to simple and (right now) too naive to really help scholars in their work (and > there's a lot of other issues I'm not going to explain here). > > I would love to have PP people involved in collaboration with Wikisource, just > don't know if this is possible. I agree. PP and Wikisource are too different, and have very little to gain from the other. PP wants to improve/increase collaboration & community, but not at the expense of loosing the quality of their metadata. Wikisource wants to improve quality and metadata, but not at the expense of the ability to collaboration and our simple editing interface. Again, interoperability is the first step towards useful 'collaboration'. i.e. Wikisource needs to export TEI. Then we could feed our poorly annotated/described sources into PP, where the academic community would then add the metadata. TEI export would also be useful for wiktionary. > Just one more thing: why this awesome thread has not been linked to the > source-l? Probably that would have been the best place to discuss. ;-) -- John Vandenberg

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Wikisource, reCAPTCHA, PG, PGDP workflow and coooperation
by Federico Leva (Nemo) 15 Jul '10

15 Jul '10

Did you see this interesting thread? http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/46475 Nemo -------- Messaggio Originale -------- Oggetto: [Foundation-l] Wikisource and reCAPTCHA Data: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:39:09 +0100 Da: Michael Peel <email(a)mikepeel.net> Rispondi-a: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> A: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Referenze: <815482.36310.qm(a)web45902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> (Renaming the subject as we've changed topic) On 23 Jun 2010, at 21:31, Mariano Cecowski wrote: > --- El mié 23-jun-10, Michael Peel <email(a)mikepeel.net> escribió: > >> I always think than not using reCaptcha is a shame, as it's >> a nice way to get people to proofread text in a reasonably >> efficient way. It would be really nice if someone could >> create something similar that proofreads OCR'd text from >> Wikisource... <hint, hint>. > > And how do you decide that what was entered is wrong or right? > > Better take a look at Project Gutemberg's Distributed Proofreaders[1]. > > Cheers, > MarianoC.- > > [1] http://pgdp.net My understanding is that original text within the reCAPTCHA is shown to several different people; if they agree then the word is counted as correct. Looking at the Wikipedia article, it's a little more complex than that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReCAPTCHA There's a reason why there are two words to solve during a reCAPTCHA. What Distributed Proofreaders can do, Wikisource can do - but in a Wiki environment. If you haven't checked out the proofreading features that Wikisource now has, I would encourage you to give them a go, e.g. at: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Frederic_Shoberl_-_Persia.djvu/92 Mike _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Recent Changes in Real Time
by ThomasV 09 Jul '10

09 Jul '10

Firefox 4 and Chrome 6 have support for Websockets. I wrote a websocket server that forwards Recent Changes to a web browser, in order to visualize them dynamically. Here is a list of pages using it: *[http://toolserver.org/~thomasv/rcsound.html a page that plays a sound everytime a page is proofread at the most active wikisources] *[http://toolserver.org/~thomasv/wprc.html en.WP's recent changes] (it scrolls kind of fast) *[http://toolserver.org/~darkdadaah/wiktio/outils/rc/fr_wikt_rc_table.html fr.wiktionary's RCs] If you decide to write another page that uses this server, please add it to the list. It is possible to use this tool directly on any Wikimedia wiki ; here is a script that turns the RC page of your wiki into a self-updating page: importScriptURI('http://wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:DynamicRC.js&action=raw&c…'); I hope you enjoy it. If you decide to write a page that uses this tool, please add it to this list : https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/RC_Websocket_server Thomas

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Wikisource bugs
by Lars Aronsson 09 Jul '10

09 Jul '10

There is a lot of potential in Wikisource, but it depends heavily on the ProofreadPage extension and it has several bugs that are reported but don't get fixed. ThomasV is the main developer and perhaps he is the only maintainer? It would be in the interest of the Wikimedia Foundation to assign a salaried developer or two into developing a more robust framework for Wikisource, either by improving the existing extension or by integrating some or all of its functionality into MediaWiki proper. People everywhere have a need to make some PDF (or Djvu) document available on a website, page by page, with the ability to add categories and talk pages. This ability is what the ProofreadPage extension adds to MediaWiki. In my mind, it is as essential as the support for uploading JPEG images and automatically generating thumbnails. Adding multipage documents to a wiki should be a far more common need than adding mathematical equations. -- Lars Aronsson (lars(a)aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se

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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Wikitech-l] Wikisource bugs
by syagrius＠gmx.fr 05 Jul '10

05 Jul '10

de.ws is already not respecting the system, because it didn't marked the empty pages as "Empty". fr.ws has 17000 empty pages, en.ws has 15000, de.ws has 1000. I suppose that a great part of the missing 14000 or 15000 are marked as "Validated"... and de.ws has 54000 validated pages. ----- Message d'origine ----- De : ThomasV Envoyés : 01.07.10 12:22 À : discussion list for Wikisource, the free library Objet : Re: [Wikisource-l] [Wikitech-l] Wikisource bugs * Thirdly, if the de.wikisource community decides, by vote or by consensus, that they want IPs to be allowed to change the quality status of pages, they can do this without destroying ProofreadPage. They just need to step out of the ProofreadPage quality system, and restore their previous system in place of it. I am willing to explain how to do this to any technically skilled person. Note that I already made the same proposal in bugzilla 8 months ago. _______________________________________________ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l

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