I am pleased to announce that the ProofreadPage extension has been enabled
on all subdomains.
Local admins need to set the Proofreadpage_namespace variable before using
it.
Thomas
> ----- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -----
> Von: Yann Forget
> Gesendet: 07.06.07 20:58 Uhr
> An: discussion list for Wikisource, the free library
> Betreff: Re: [Wikisource-l] Following the conventions: seperating
> Wikisource
>
> Hello,
>
> Birgitte SB a écrit :
> > --- Mohamed Magdy <mohamed.m.k(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Other ideas say that Wikisource project is special
> >> somehow that some of the languages will never be big enough (text
> >> collections, contributors
> >> etc...) to deserve its own domain or there will
> >> never be enough community for it..and because of that they are
> >> better placed in one
> >> place (I don't really see the objection of making
> >> new sub-domains or wikis, does it cost?)
> >
> > Yes is costs. It costs a large amount of labor for
> > each separate subdomain to be montiored by admins.
> > Currently texts in language which have not gathered a
> > community around them (and some never will) are
> > montiored from a single list of recent changes. Any
> > problems readers encounter are able to be answered by
> > the community that has developed to look over these
> > texts. Subdomains are only good when a community to
> > inhabit them exists.
>
> Yes, that's the most important point. The community should be the main
> factor for a decision to separate a language into a subdomain. Technical
> issues should not.
>
> > BirgitteSB
>
> Best regards,
>
> Yann
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The issue:
http://wikisource.org is supposed to be a portal, a portal with links to
the different versions of the project. just like all the other projects,
the main domain a portal..the sub-domains contains the different
versions..except for the multilingual projects (commons + meta) which
don't have any sub-domains and have their main pages in English as
default and main pages in many other languages. so commons.wikimedia.org
or meta.wikimedia.org are considered to be the 'portals' or better..they
don't have portals (all content on one wiki) or there are no
metawiki.org or commonswiki.org so they don't have a portal and that is
of course made intentionally (they don't need that ball surrounded by
languages)..
When we look at Wikisource, we find it somehow disorganized..first..the
new languages are created inside wikisource.org wiki (which as I know
was once an oldwikisource) until they accumulate some unknown number of
pages then they move to their own sub-domain.. isn't that the exact
purpose of the incubator? develop the language to some extent to test
its potential?
Other ideas say that Wikisource project is special somehow that some of
the languages will never be big enough (text collections, contributors
etc...) to deserve its own domain or there will never be enough
community for it..and because of that they are better placed in one
place (I don't really see the objection of making new sub-domains or
wikis, does it cost?) ..so, following the conventions, as Wikisource
does contain sub-domains, the address http://wikisource.org should be
made only a portal..not a Wiki! and the Multilingual collections (that
didn't get a sub-domain and probably will never in the near future) be
placed on a sub-domain of wikisource.org, perhaps
multi.wikisource.org..not the current mix..having both the portal and
the multilingual wiki on the same place.. that is a solution..other
solution would be to move all the content on the wiki that shouldn't
exist on wikisource.org to the incubator and remove that wiki and just
add the portal like the other projects..but I seriously doubt if the
languages will get out of the incubator...in any solution, these
languages and cultures should be featured, the ignorance of myself to
certain language doesn't make it less or bad..
Now I feel that I wrote much to describe ;)
Hello,
I agree entirely with Dovi and I could not have said it better.
In addition, it would be quite proper to discuss this with the community
there first. There is also a mailing list for Wikisource.
Regards,
Yann
Dovi Jacobs a écrit :
> Hi. The model that Wikisource follows here is similar to Wikiversity:
>
> Just as at Wikiversity, the Wikisource "incubator" is within Wikisource itself. We consider this to be a much more supportive (and better monitored) environment for new languages (rather than the generic incubator.wikimedia.org) for a number of reasons. When such languages are ready, they can then recieve their own subdomains. Until then, they always have a proper place to build their content.
>
> In fact, my personal suggestion is that new test languages for all existing Wikimedia projects (Wikipedia, Wikibooks, etc.) should be hosted by those projects themselves, rather than at a generic incubator. The Wikiversity/Wikisource model works very nicely indeed, providing a closer sense of a project-wide environment for new test-languages, with a common logo and framework for parallel new languages in the project, while the generic incubator is rather cold and unfriendly (take a look at its main page). There is no way that a single separate wiki for all new languages in all projects at once can provide proper guidance, supervision, and monitoring. Perhaps the incubator would be better left for testing entirely new Wikimedia projects.
>
> As for the Wikisource portal, because it is at wikisource.org rather than on Meta, you will find that it is much better supported than the portals for other Wikimedia projects, which are often out-of-date ("out-of-site" >> "out-of-mind"), and often have aesthetic or other problems that take longer to fix. People go to Wikisource and make direct suggestions for Portal updates right there at the talk page, and Wikisource admins take care of things immediately because they are always around at the wiki. Here too, this may be a better model than the convention for other projects.
>
> Dovi Jacobs
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