Il 13/ago/2014 21:02 "Andrew Lih" <andrew(a)andrewlih.com> ha scritto: for a "newbie" or "maker" pavilion in future conferences, where the emphasis would be teaching new skills to each other. Why not have hardware such as book scanning, flatbed scanning, filmmaking and other tools for folks to quickly collaborate. ^ this. -- Luca "Sannita" Martinelli https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita

On 13 aug. 2014, at 21:20, Kartik Mistry <kartik.mistry(a)gmail.com> wrote: You probably mean the talk from Maarten Dammers. Regards, André

Interesting! I love all suggestions and comments coming up. Thanks Matthais. - Enock On Aug 13, 2014 7:51 PM, "Amir Ladsgroup" <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Even thou the movement grows and gets older, it also needs to renew. It has to attract new users to continue growing as rapidly it has in the past and it has to set up new ideas on how it can be pushed forward for the new ones to even have something to work on. As such, more emphasis for new users might be a good idea. I'd like to add, that even the existing users often have a lot they may find good to learn. Is it getting better at photography, finding out new tools they may use, learning to solve difficult situations etc. Wikimania 2014 was a good one, but there is always something that can be done in a better way (or at least differently). Therefor I welcome the discussion started by Matthias as it may lead us to even better programs. Ones where everyone feel there isn't a thing to add or to take away. I myself are playing with an idea to set up a Wikimania 2016 bid for Tallinn (pre-conference) and Tartu (as the site for main conference) as I see it as a good way to promote Wikipedia and to get new people into our community. Estonia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonia>, one of the most tech-savvy countries out there, may just be a very good place to organize something like this. But we'll see. So I have been thinking about it for a while and I personally see that Wikimania should be more about getting up new ideas and increasing international cooperation. The ideas and cooperation can only be brought to life by strong local communities and with more of thous small meetings. Sending one or two persons to some faraway land may not help with that as much we would like to think. So I'd like to set up an idea of making Wikimania smaller locally and bigger globally. There could be lot of local meetings at the time of the Wikimania, where local wikipedians themselves could take part of the show on real time (or with a small delay depending on time zone) and have a discussion on what their own community needs the most. If you want to create something big, you need to get more people behind your idea. If only you have the chance to see and interact with it, then it may not be enough. Getting more people together and getting them to know each other may be just what we need to build a stronger community of wikimedians. We have the technology to make Wikimania even bigger and to bring it closer to people. Why not to use it? Maybe we could test it out in 2016? With regards, Ivo Kruusamägi 2014-08-13 22:29 GMT+03:00 Manuel Schneider &lt;manuel.schneider(a)wikimedia.ch&gt;ch>:

I fully agree with Manuel. As a clarification: * I don't see a Wikimania as a place for newbies or a thing I'd recommend them to visit. It is more of a site where to talk about engaging new users and educating long time contributors on the stuff that may not be known in their community. That "new"-user stuff doesn't meant the event itself must be for newcomers. ;) * Indeed, Wikimania should concentrate on a well done fewer things and for bringing the international community together. There doesn't have to be 1000+ participants for that (maybe even 500-700 max). In that sense, less is more. This is what I meant under "smaller locally and bigger globally". * When the event will take place in many locations around the globe (that is one bigger Wikimania and a lot of local meetings around it), then all of thous smaller local events may have their own goals. More events will lead to more human interactions and to lot more impact. Each location may still focus on what it needs the most. * Each of thous local events can serve as a bridge to bring new people in. Only for the organizing part it will be bringing in a little bit different set of people (but in the Estonia, thous are currently the ones we need the most, and that is why I am interested of setting up a bid). Ivo 2014-08-13 23:45 GMT+03:00 Manuel Schneider &lt;manuel.schneider(a)wikimedia.ch&gt;ch>:

Do we had many first timers? Does Wikimania really has an outreach effect? I was always a bit sceptical about it. Actually we could rather usually see the effect of burn-out of local volunteers after Wikimania, but maybe it pays back in the longer time perspective. Have never seen any reports about outreach effects of Wikimanias so we can only have general impression about it. The very good thing with Barbicane was that the access to venue was completely open to the public, so the people visiting exhibitions could easily mix with regular attendants and had free access to the chapters village. Among others - our, Polish booth was visited by numerous Poles living in London, which hopefully will have some outreach effect. I think this idea - to organise Wikimanias is open, vibrant public spaces is worth repeating. The suggested groups of wikimedians is also not a completely seperate from each other (which is good actually)... Many hackers are also very active contributors, so called "representatives" are also usually contributors. There is also a group of GLAM-related people which are hard to define to which group they belong, some of them are just "representatives", some are active editors mainly, and some also hackers, but they have many in common due to the interest in cooperation with GLAMs. So, that divisions are not that obvious... 2014-08-13 23:15 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca &lt;dacuetu(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: -- Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29&title=tomasz-ganicz