Even thou the movement grows and gets older, it also needs to renew. It has to attract new users to continue growing as rapidly it has in the past and it has to set up new ideas on how it can be pushed forward for the new ones to even have something to work on. As such, more emphasis for new users might be a good idea.

I'd like to add, that even the existing users often have a lot they may find good to learn. Is it getting better at photography, finding out new tools they may use, learning to solve difficult situations etc.

Wikimania 2014 was a good one, but there is always something that can be done in a better way (or at least differently). Therefor I welcome the discussion started by Matthias as it may lead us to even better programs. Ones where everyone feel there isn't a thing to add or to take away.

I myself are playing with an idea to set up a Wikimania 2016 bid for Tallinn (pre-conference) and Tartu (as the site for main conference) as I see it as a good way to promote Wikipedia and to get new people into our community. Estonia, one of the most tech-savvy countries out there, may just be a very good place to organize something like this. But we'll see.

So I have been thinking about it for a while and I personally see that Wikimania should be more about getting up new ideas and increasing international cooperation. The ideas and cooperation can only be brought to life by strong local communities and with more of thous small meetings.

Sending one or two persons to some faraway land may not help with that as much we would like to think. So I'd like to set up an idea of making Wikimania smaller locally and bigger globally. There could be lot of local meetings at the time of the Wikimania, where local wikipedians themselves could take part of the show on real time (or with a small delay depending on time zone) and have a discussion on what their own community needs the most.

If you want to create something big, you need to get more people behind your idea. If only you have the chance to see and interact with it, then it may not be enough. Getting more people together and getting them to know each other may be just what we need to build a stronger community of wikimedians.

We have the technology to make Wikimania even bigger and to bring it closer to people. Why not to use it? Maybe we could test it out in 2016?

With regards,
Ivo Kruusamägi


2014-08-13 22:29 GMT+03:00 Manuel Schneider <manuel.schneider@wikimedia.ch>:
Hi Matthias,

good points. I think it would be really cool if we could accommodate all
features in one big conference.
My personal experience is a bit different, though.

Last year I wrote a mail summarising some of my thoughts on this (in
german):
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/vereinat-l/2013-March/001464.html

We do have several events on different levels and with different goals
already in place.

* local events
** meet-up
** working meetings (Wiki Takes ...)

* regional events
** WikiCon
** Workshops

* international events
** Wikimania
** Wikimedia Conference aka. "Chapters Meeting"

not all meet-up regulars in the target area of WikiCon has visited it.
Not all WikiCon participants are interested in Wikimania.

WikiCon has much more "workshop character" on a high level: good talks,
working groups, racking brains together, energizing each other, exchange
ideas, start new projects etc...

Wikimania has been like this in the start but with an ever growing
community with many organizations in the Wikiversum and international
diversity it has become much more strategical and political.
I do not want to miss Wikimania but it is not a "working meeting"
anymore ("working" as in "creating content") in contrast to a WikiCon.
The most interesting part of Wikimania are all the ad-hoc meetings which
happen in the hallways, at lunch etc. Apart from this it's the exchange
of several groups, like tech meet-ups, chapters meetings etc.
A Wikimania is a marathon of meetings and sessions. I can only make it
to a hand full of sessions in a Wikimania because of all these other
ad-hoc meetings.

There has been a discussion following on Wikimania reports who should
attend a Wikimania and what the use for the local community is.

My thoughts on this (in the same mail linked above) where that there are
two main participant groups for Wikimania:

* first-timers who mostly benefit personally from attending Wikimania -
like learning about the international movement, make new contacts,
better understand what our movement is (especially those who have only
worked in their local language project before and don't know anything
else - opening their eyes)

* representatives who have certain tasks and goals for their
participation in Wikimania

Regards,


Manuel
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