On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:21 AM, wikimania-l-request@lists.wikimedia.orgwrote:
Sure. I'm totally not going to try to rail-road this discussion (or maybe it should be on-wiki?) by announcing a Jury when we're not sure how we'll proceed. :-)
J.
James D. Forrester jdforrester@wikimedia.org | jdforrester@gmail.com [[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]]
There were some useful responses to James' initial message, but I think the end result (through nobody's intention) was to get us off track from selecting a jury for 2013. There are a number of groups working on bids [1]; I think it would be a good thing to get a jury announced so they (we? [2]) can begin laying out the process and guiding toward a decision.
This is not intended to dismiss the important "meta issue" about how locations are selected. I agree with what has been said, that it is too late to impose some sort of rotation system for the 2013 process; but I do think it's an idea well worth some deeper consideration. I think that having an active jury would be beneficial to arriving at a well-considered decision on that, so I really don't see a conflict here.
I'm hoping to hear from some other folks here: should we encourage James F. to resume his planned course, and select/announce a jury ASAP, without prejudice toward the question of whether a rotation system is implemented after 2013?
Jan-Bart? Perhaps a plate of stroopwafels will help move the discussion forward?
-Pete
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_bids [2] I have thrown my name in the ring and would like to have a decision soon, since it will affect how I spend my next few months.
Dear all,
Am 15.12.2011 03:03, schrieb Pete Forsyth:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:21 AM, wikimania-l-request@lists.wikimedia.orgwrote:
Sure. I'm totally not going to try to rail-road this discussion (or maybe it should be on-wiki?) by announcing a Jury when we're not sure how we'll proceed. :-)
I'm hoping to hear from some other folks here: should we encourage James F. to resume his planned course, and select/announce a jury ASAP, without prejudice toward the question of whether a rotation system is implemented after 2013?
I was a bit distracted for the last two weeks and my last status was James' call for bids and jury members.
From my POV we should proceed with this quickly - I remember the
discussion derailed a bit stating that the timeline is already quite tense. While that's true it didn't help us getting to work ;-)
I know that James sent a few mails to potential jury members. My suggestion is that he puts the names of those who agreed here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_jury
Then we may have a short discussion / selection, define the actual jury by the end of next week and then get things finally rolling.
My five Euro ¢.
Regards,
Manuel
Nah, lets not wind ourselves up unnecessarily. There is still plenty of time - as long as the winners are known around june/july. A full year should be enough to organize a Wikimania.
Lodewijk
No dia 15 de Dezembro de 2011 11:42, Manuel Schneider < manuel.schneider@wikimedia.ch> escreveu:
Dear all,
Am 15.12.2011 03:03, schrieb Pete Forsyth:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:21 AM, wikimania-l-request@lists.wikimedia.orgwrote:
Sure. I'm totally not going to try to rail-road this discussion (or maybe it should be on-wiki?) by announcing a Jury when we're not sure how we'll proceed. :-)
I'm hoping to hear from some other folks here: should we encourage James
F.
to resume his planned course, and select/announce a jury ASAP, without prejudice toward the question of whether a rotation system is implemented after 2013?
I was a bit distracted for the last two weeks and my last status was James' call for bids and jury members.
From my POV we should proceed with this quickly - I remember the discussion derailed a bit stating that the timeline is already quite tense. While that's true it didn't help us getting to work ;-)
I know that James sent a few mails to potential jury members. My suggestion is that he puts the names of those who agreed here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_jury
Then we may have a short discussion / selection, define the actual jury by the end of next week and then get things finally rolling.
My five Euro ¢.
Regards,
Manuel
Regards Manuel Schneider
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(for the record, because there seems to be some confusion: I think it would be good to have clearity on the timeline, but I don't agree that there is an urgency to announce the jury soon - if the quality of the jury is improved by waiting a bit because we're short of candidates or any other random reason, I'm all for taking a little extra time.)
Lodewijk
No dia 15 de Dezembro de 2011 12:15, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.orgescreveu:
Nah, lets not wind ourselves up unnecessarily. There is still plenty of time - as long as the winners are known around june/july. A full year should be enough to organize a Wikimania.
Lodewijk
No dia 15 de Dezembro de 2011 11:42, Manuel Schneider < manuel.schneider@wikimedia.ch> escreveu:
Dear all,
Am 15.12.2011 03:03, schrieb Pete Forsyth:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:21 AM, wikimania-l-request@lists.wikimedia.orgwrote:
Sure. I'm totally not going to try to rail-road this discussion (or maybe it should be on-wiki?) by announcing a Jury when we're not sure how we'll proceed. :-)
I'm hoping to hear from some other folks here: should we encourage
James F.
to resume his planned course, and select/announce a jury ASAP, without prejudice toward the question of whether a rotation system is
implemented
after 2013?
I was a bit distracted for the last two weeks and my last status was James' call for bids and jury members.
From my POV we should proceed with this quickly - I remember the discussion derailed a bit stating that the timeline is already quite tense. While that's true it didn't help us getting to work ;-)
I know that James sent a few mails to potential jury members. My suggestion is that he puts the names of those who agreed here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_jury
Then we may have a short discussion / selection, define the actual jury by the end of next week and then get things finally rolling.
My five Euro ¢.
Regards,
Manuel
Regards Manuel Schneider
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On 26 December 2011 23:26, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
(for the record, because there seems to be some confusion: I think it would be good to have clearity on the timeline, but I don't agree that there is an urgency to announce the jury soon - if the quality of the jury is improved by waiting a bit because we're short of candidates or any other random reason, I'm all for taking a little extra time.)
OK, well, given the lack of movement on this issue[0], and given some discussion here, on wiki and on IRC, I propose to proceed with the plan and announce a Jury for Wikimania 2013 later today/tomorrow.
My idea is that the 2013 selection will happen under the current rules[1], and that we (in parallel) try to work out properly how we as a community want the meta-level decisions like "how do we decide who gets Wikimania each year?" and "just what do we want Wikimania to be anyway?". Certainly I hope that we have decided this by the time many of us meet in Washington DC this (Northern hemisphere) Summer!
Yours,
[0] - There's https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Advisory_Group which looks like it could work out in the next few months, but not with enough time to get Wikimania 2013 properly sorted out with a decent space of time.
[1] - Honestly, if you've never organised a Wikimania, it's astonishing just how much work is involved; giving the team just over a year can be very demanding - this is something I'd love for the "Wikimania Advisory Group" or whatever to help simplify.
James
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 5:45 PM, James Forrester james@jdforrester.orgwrote:
OK, well, given the lack of movement on this issue[0], and given some discussion here, on wiki and on IRC, I propose to proceed with the plan and announce a Jury for Wikimania 2013 later today/tomorrow.
James?
I was looking at the page on Meta for Wikimania 2013, it still mentions December 1st as the Jury selection date.
The bidding closes later this month. Has a decision been made? or can we update the page about when the jury is likely to be decided?
I know the holiday season and the end of the year was a busy time. I completely understand that others might be busy, but I'd love to help out if I can.
Regards Theo
It's been another few days into January. Has the jury been selected yet?
On 4 January 2012 23:49, Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 5:45 PM, James Forrester james@jdforrester.orgwrote:
OK, well, given the lack of movement on this issue[0], and given some discussion here, on wiki and on IRC, I propose to proceed with the plan and announce a Jury for Wikimania 2013 later today/tomorrow.
James?
I was looking at the page on Meta for Wikimania 2013, it still mentions December 1st as the Jury selection date.
The bidding closes later this month. Has a decision been made? or can we update the page about when the jury is likely to be decided?
I know the holiday season and the end of the year was a busy time. I completely understand that others might be busy, but I'd love to help out if I can.
Regards Theo
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Let us hope that the left wing bias and the feminist hate movement will be excluded. I have great doubts as they have already corrupted endless entries on the site, beyond repair. Manipulating it with their doctrinal bias and misinformation to such as degree as to make the entire site, useless (Dr Micheal Flood has confessed in doing so, a site editor). Steps should be taken to exclude them and ensure the information is corrected.
That should be the priority in future jury selection.
Christian J.
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Deryck Chan deryckchan@gmail.com wrote:
It's been another few days into January. Has the jury been selected yet?
On 4 January 2012 23:49, Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 5:45 PM, James Forrester james@jdforrester.orgwrote:
OK, well, given the lack of movement on this issue[0], and given some discussion here, on wiki and on IRC, I propose to proceed with the plan and announce a Jury for Wikimania 2013 later today/tomorrow.
James?
I was looking at the page on Meta for Wikimania 2013, it still mentions December 1st as the Jury selection date.
The bidding closes later this month. Has a decision been made? or can we update the page about when the jury is likely to be decided?
I know the holiday season and the end of the year was a busy time. I completely understand that others might be busy, but I'd love to help out if I can.
Regards Theo
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On 10.01.2012 00:49, Deryck Chan wrote:
It's been another few days into January. Has the jury been selected yet?
well, who is "selecting" the jury?
So far as I know this is a community process, so everyone with a plan could come up and take this into her / his hand.
I am hesitant because James Forrester already started to ask potential jury members and engaged in setting up the process, so it looked like he had the plan for 2013 at least and I don't want to mess with the work he has already done.
So it would be good if he could give us a short update what he plans to do or if someone else could / should take over.
Regards,
Manuel
On 10 January 2012 06:53, Manuel Schneider manuel.schneider@wikimedia.ch wrote:
On 10.01.2012 00:49, Deryck Chan wrote:
It's been another few days into January. Has the jury been selected yet?
well, who is "selecting" the jury?
So far as I know this is a community process, so everyone with a plan could come up and take this into her / his hand.
I am hesitant because James Forrester already started to ask potential jury members and engaged in setting up the process, so it looked like he had the plan for 2013 at least and I don't want to mess with the work he has already done.
So it would be good if he could give us a short update what he plans to do or if someone else could / should take over.
Hey everyone,
Really sorry for the delay in this. A bunch of issues around this (and IRL workload) have delayed me hugely; my apologies.
I propose to just charge ahead and announce a Jury in an hour's time or so; I've tried my best to balance it (in the same way that we did in previous years), which is not perfect - not by a long shot - but gets us:
(a) a Jury in place to make a decision in the next couple of months so that 2013 bids can actually happen, and
(b) gives us a really good reason for this to be the last-ever Jury created in this way, as I said on 30 December; I really don't want this to be the process for 2014 (even if I dump this part on someone else).
I hope this meets with everyone's approval (OK, the majority's acceptance - asking for mass approval is perhaps too much!).
Yours,
Works great for me, James -- glad for the update, and I personally think that at this point, almost any clear path forward is better than continuing to wonder. I'm sure you'll do fine with picking a jury :)
Good luck getting through the RL work too! -Pete
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:20 AM, James Forrester james@jdforrester.orgwrote:
On 10 January 2012 06:53, Manuel Schneider manuel.schneider@wikimedia.ch wrote:
On 10.01.2012 00:49, Deryck Chan wrote:
It's been another few days into January. Has the jury been selected yet?
well, who is "selecting" the jury?
So far as I know this is a community process, so everyone with a plan could come up and take this into her / his hand.
I am hesitant because James Forrester already started to ask potential jury members and engaged in setting up the process, so it looked like he had the plan for 2013 at least and I don't want to mess with the work he has already done.
So it would be good if he could give us a short update what he plans to do or if someone else could / should take over.
Hey everyone,
Really sorry for the delay in this. A bunch of issues around this (and IRL workload) have delayed me hugely; my apologies.
I propose to just charge ahead and announce a Jury in an hour's time or so; I've tried my best to balance it (in the same way that we did in previous years), which is not perfect - not by a long shot - but gets us:
(a) a Jury in place to make a decision in the next couple of months so that 2013 bids can actually happen, and
(b) gives us a really good reason for this to be the last-ever Jury created in this way, as I said on 30 December; I really don't want this to be the process for 2014 (even if I dump this part on someone else).
I hope this meets with everyone's approval (OK, the majority's acceptance - asking for mass approval is perhaps too much!).
Yours,
James D. Forrester jdforrester@wikimedia.org | jdforrester@gmail.com [[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]]
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Works great for me, James -- glad for the update, and I personally think that at this point, almost any clear path forward is better than continuing to wonder. I'm sure you'll do fine with picking a jury :)
Good luck getting through the RL work too! -Pete
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:20 AM, James Forrester james@jdforrester.orgwrote:
On 10 January 2012 06:53, Manuel Schneider manuel.schneider@wikimedia.ch wrote:
On 10.01.2012 00:49, Deryck Chan wrote:
It's been another few days into January. Has the jury been selected yet?
well, who is "selecting" the jury?
So far as I know this is a community process, so everyone with a plan could come up and take this into her / his hand.
I am hesitant because James Forrester already started to ask potential jury members and engaged in setting up the process, so it looked like he had the plan for 2013 at least and I don't want to mess with the work he has already done.
So it would be good if he could give us a short update what he plans to do or if someone else could / should take over.
Hey everyone,
Really sorry for the delay in this. A bunch of issues around this (and IRL workload) have delayed me hugely; my apologies.
I propose to just charge ahead and announce a Jury in an hour's time or so; I've tried my best to balance it (in the same way that we did in previous years), which is not perfect - not by a long shot - but gets us:
(a) a Jury in place to make a decision in the next couple of months so that 2013 bids can actually happen, and
(b) gives us a really good reason for this to be the last-ever Jury created in this way, as I said on 30 December; I really don't want this to be the process for 2014 (even if I dump this part on someone else).
I hope this meets with everyone's approval (OK, the majority's acceptance - asking for mass approval is perhaps too much!).
Yours,
James D. Forrester jdforrester@wikimedia.org | jdforrester@gmail.com [[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]]
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On 01/12/2012 07:20 PM, James Forrester wrote:
I hope this meets with everyone's approval (OK, the majority's acceptance - asking for mass approval is perhaps too much!).
thanks James! No need to apologize, we are happy that someone is taking the lead and as we all do this as volunteers we appreciate this and accept the fact that not everything can be done immediately and after a strict schedule.
Thanks for taking care of this.
Maybe let us have a discussion on Wikimania 2012 on a jury selection process for the future.
/Manuel
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