OK, now this is more of an argument I can consider as compelling.
Now the 1 million dollar/euro/pound/yen/yuan/rupee/peso/shekel/$you_name_it question (which unsurprisingly Asaf already posed): to whom do we address the task of eventually solving this?
L.
Il 07 nov 2016 15:05, "Edward Saperia" edsaperia@gmail.com ha scritto:
Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it "The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.
- On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it may
be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time off to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
Gordo
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The question would also be: - is this a significant problem - Do we wánt to solve this problem (what is our targeted audience) - Are there other ways to achieve the same (When I had to pitch Wikimania as a conference with potential partners in the Amsterdam 2010 bid, we always used a subtitle - which worked fine. People actually appreciated a more unique brand/name) - finally, are there any benefits to keeping Wikimania as a name
I see how one can make a case - but without addressing all these questions, such case is imho not complete.
Lodewijk
2016-11-07 15:08 GMT+01:00 Luca Martinelli martinelliluca@gmail.com:
OK, now this is more of an argument I can consider as compelling.
Now the 1 million dollar/euro/pound/yen/yuan/rupee/peso/shekel/$you_name_it question (which unsurprisingly Asaf already posed): to whom do we address the task of eventually solving this?
L.
Il 07 nov 2016 15:05, "Edward Saperia" edsaperia@gmail.com ha scritto:
Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it "The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.
- On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it may
be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time off to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
Gordo
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I concur with Asaf and Lodewijk's emails.
For the past few years when I have had to 'pitch' Wikimania to potential sponsors and also when dealing with hotel, convention centers, tourism boards and the like, I have always emphasized that Wikimania (which is pretty puzzling for most outsiders...) is the international conference for the Wikipedia/wikimedia community. That always seems to satisfy/clarify it for most people (and a chuckle ...)
Not to change the subject ;-), but I get more questions about the Wikimedia Conference (which probably should have the word affiliate in it) as people are confused about it being Wikimania, how does it differ, that it is by invitation, etc. I know we've tried in the past to get some traction about changing its name, but that doesn't seem to go anywhere....
Ellie
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 6:50 AM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
The question would also be:
- is this a significant problem
- Do we wánt to solve this problem (what is our targeted audience)
- Are there other ways to achieve the same (When I had to pitch Wikimania
as a conference with potential partners in the Amsterdam 2010 bid, we always used a subtitle - which worked fine. People actually appreciated a more unique brand/name)
- finally, are there any benefits to keeping Wikimania as a name
I see how one can make a case - but without addressing all these questions, such case is imho not complete.
Lodewijk
2016-11-07 15:08 GMT+01:00 Luca Martinelli martinelliluca@gmail.com:
OK, now this is more of an argument I can consider as compelling.
Now the 1 million dollar/euro/pound/yen/yuan/rupee/peso/shekel/$you_name_it question (which unsurprisingly Asaf already posed): to whom do we address the task of eventually solving this?
L.
Il 07 nov 2016 15:05, "Edward Saperia" edsaperia@gmail.com ha scritto:
Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it "The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.
- On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it may
be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time off to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com
wrote:
Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
Gordo
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On 07/11/16 14:50, Lodewijk wrote:
The question would also be:
- is this a significant problem
Yes, I still think this is an issue, since it shows a lack of clarity and correctness in the use of a term in the English language. Below is another example of where a term in the field of mental illness is not well understood, in this case by Piers Morgan.
Guardian, Thursday 15 December 2016 12.53 GMT
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/15/piers-morgan-ptsd-lady...
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Lady Gaga has told how she was raped at the age of 19 by a man 20 years her senior. “I suffer from PTSD,” she said in a Today show interview on the US network NBC. “I’ve never told anyone that before.” On Saturday, on Twitter, Piers Morgan tweeted a CNN piece headlined “Lady Gaga: ‘I have PTSD’” with his response: “No, soldiers returning from battlefields do. Enough of this vain-glorious nonsense.” He followed this with another tweet to his 5.3 million followers – “I come from a big military family. It angers me when celebrities start claiming ‘PTSD’ about everything to promote themselves”....
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Gordo
English as a language isnt bound by right and wrong. the language, the meanings. words evolve English absorbs and adapts from other languages., even within English speakers there are differences in meaning, uses and spellings.
The other issue is one that will never be perfect for all case that is in the translation between languages that is because the structures of languages differ, the way in which words are built differ. We have about 300 active language projects not every language has a direct translation for "mania" or even a single word that would describe the intent of "mania" in its current context which is a gathering, a conference, a corroboree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corroboree in the end its not what the parts of the word mean its how we as a community chose to define what the whole of Wikimania means.
On 18 December 2016 at 05:04, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 07/11/16 14:50, Lodewijk wrote:
The question would also be:
- is this a significant problem
Yes, I still think this is an issue, since it shows a lack of clarity and correctness in the use of a term in the English language. Below is another example of where a term in the field of mental illness is not well understood, in this case by Piers Morgan.
Guardian, Thursday 15 December 2016 12.53 GMT
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/15/ piers-morgan-ptsd-lady-gaga-post-traumatic-stress-disorder-soldiers
**********quote
Lady Gaga has told how she was raped at the age of 19 by a man 20 years her senior. “I suffer from PTSD,” she said in a Today show interview on the US network NBC. “I’ve never told anyone that before.” On Saturday, on Twitter, Piers Morgan tweeted a CNN piece headlined “Lady Gaga: ‘I have PTSD’” with his response: “No, soldiers returning from battlefields do. Enough of this vain-glorious nonsense.” He followed this with another tweet to his 5.3 million followers – “I come from a big military family. It angers me when celebrities start claiming ‘PTSD’ about everything to promote themselves”....
quote**********
Gordo
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*Now the 1 million dollar (...) question: to whom do we address the task of eventually solving this?*
Well, might not be the easiest answer, but: Why not run a vote?
Have some period of "submissions of name", and an after vote open to all community on it (with bots, sitenotice and etc to advertise it.) and let the community decide. _____ *Béria L. de Rodríguez*
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.*
2016-11-07 12:08 GMT-02:00 Luca Martinelli martinelliluca@gmail.com:
OK, now this is more of an argument I can consider as compelling.
Now the 1 million dollar/euro/pound/yen/yuan/rupee/peso/shekel/$you_name_it question (which unsurprisingly Asaf already posed): to whom do we address the task of eventually solving this?
L.
Il 07 nov 2016 15:05, "Edward Saperia" edsaperia@gmail.com ha scritto:
Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it "The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.
- On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it may
be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time off to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
Gordo
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Hi all,
- The Wikimania Committee with Ellie Young would be the most likely entity that could facilitate a process if we wanted to consider a name change. Full disclosure: I’m on the committee, but it may be getting a revamp in the near future.
- We tend to not like voting on anything like this, especially since we don’t have very good findings of fact, or even a good sampling of anecdotes around the name.
-Andrew
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On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
*Now the 1 million dollar (...) question: to whom do we address the task
of eventually solving this?*
Well, might not be the easiest answer, but: Why not run a vote?
Have some period of "submissions of name", and an after vote open to all community on it (with bots, sitenotice and etc to advertise it.) and let the community decide. _____ *Béria L. de Rodríguez*
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.*
2016-11-07 12:08 GMT-02:00 Luca Martinelli martinelliluca@gmail.com:
OK, now this is more of an argument I can consider as compelling.
Now the 1 million dollar/euro/pound/yen/yuan/rupee/peso/shekel/$you_name_it question (which unsurprisingly Asaf already posed): to whom do we address the task of eventually solving this?
L.
Il 07 nov 2016 15:05, "Edward Saperia" edsaperia@gmail.com ha scritto:
Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it "The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.
- On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it may
be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time off to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com
wrote:
Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
Gordo
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I apologize if this is a bit of a hand grenade in the discussion, but:
If we are really concerned with third parties understanding what our conference is about, we should really use "Wikipedia" in the title and avoid the use of "Wikimedia". The general public really has no clue what Wikimedia means. If you just use "Wiki-" they think "Wikileaks". That's just the place we are at right now.
I have no idea how to concisely include all the "Wikimedia projects" and still mention "Wikipedia" in the title... which suggests perhaps that Ed's version ("Wikimania: the global wikipedia summit") or whatever subtitle Lodewijk used isn't too far off.
I suspect that it's just plain hard to come up with a short name which captures the entire intended scope of the conference (the "Wikipedia and Related Projects Conference"?), and so a short name that tries instead of capture the "fun" aspect (which is what -mania connotes to most of us) is a reasonable alternative. --scott
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Andrew Lih andrew@andrewlih.com wrote:
Hi all,
- The Wikimania Committee with Ellie Young would be the most likely entity
that could facilitate a process if we wanted to consider a name change. Full disclosure: I’m on the committee, but it may be getting a revamp in the near future.
- We tend to not like voting on anything like this, especially since we
don’t have very good findings of fact, or even a good sampling of anecdotes around the name.
-Andrew
-Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: andrew@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
*Now the 1 million dollar (...) question: to whom do we address the
task of eventually solving this?*
Well, might not be the easiest answer, but: Why not run a vote?
Have some period of "submissions of name", and an after vote open to all community on it (with bots, sitenotice and etc to advertise it.) and let the community decide. _____ *Béria L. de Rodríguez*
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.*
2016-11-07 12:08 GMT-02:00 Luca Martinelli martinelliluca@gmail.com:
OK, now this is more of an argument I can consider as compelling.
Now the 1 million dollar/euro/pound/yen/yuan/rupee/peso/shekel/$you_name_it question (which unsurprisingly Asaf already posed): to whom do we address the task of eventually solving this?
L.
Il 07 nov 2016 15:05, "Edward Saperia" edsaperia@gmail.com ha scritto:
Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it "The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.
- On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it
may be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time off to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com
wrote:
Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
Gordo
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Pinging Zach in WMF Communications to ask for comment about branding in general, and Wikipedia vs Wikimedia in particular.
Pine
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:57 AM, C. Scott Ananian cananian@wikimedia.org wrote:
I apologize if this is a bit of a hand grenade in the discussion, but:
If we are really concerned with third parties understanding what our conference is about, we should really use "Wikipedia" in the title and avoid the use of "Wikimedia". The general public really has no clue what Wikimedia means. If you just use "Wiki-" they think "Wikileaks". That's just the place we are at right now.
I have no idea how to concisely include all the "Wikimedia projects" and still mention "Wikipedia" in the title... which suggests perhaps that Ed's version ("Wikimania: the global wikipedia summit") or whatever subtitle Lodewijk used isn't too far off.
I suspect that it's just plain hard to come up with a short name which captures the entire intended scope of the conference (the "Wikipedia and Related Projects Conference"?), and so a short name that tries instead of capture the "fun" aspect (which is what -mania connotes to most of us) is a reasonable alternative. --scott
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Andrew Lih andrew@andrewlih.com wrote:
Hi all,
- The Wikimania Committee with Ellie Young would be the most likely
entity that could facilitate a process if we wanted to consider a name change. Full disclosure: I’m on the committee, but it may be getting a revamp in the near future.
- We tend to not like voting on anything like this, especially since we
don’t have very good findings of fact, or even a good sampling of anecdotes around the name.
-Andrew
-Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: andrew@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W ikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
*Now the 1 million dollar (...) question: to whom do we address the
task of eventually solving this?*
Well, might not be the easiest answer, but: Why not run a vote?
Have some period of "submissions of name", and an after vote open to all community on it (with bots, sitenotice and etc to advertise it.) and let the community decide. _____ *Béria L. de Rodríguez*
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.*
2016-11-07 12:08 GMT-02:00 Luca Martinelli martinelliluca@gmail.com:
OK, now this is more of an argument I can consider as compelling.
Now the 1 million dollar/euro/pound/yen/yuan/rupee/peso/shekel/$you_name_it question (which unsurprisingly Asaf already posed): to whom do we address the task of eventually solving this?
L.
Il 07 nov 2016 15:05, "Edward Saperia" edsaperia@gmail.com ha scritto:
Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it "The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.
- On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it
may be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time off to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com
wrote:
Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
Gordo
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One might argue that Wikimedia is more appropriate considering the fact that the conference is not only about Wikipedia but the truth is, non-Wikipedians (my employer for example) have no idea of what Wikimedia means. Thus, it would be more appropriate to use a title known to the general public.
Best,
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Perhaps something like "WikiConference 2017".
Best,
Isaac
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Olatunde Isaac, 07/11/2016 21:47:
Thus, it would be more appropriate to use a title known to the general public.
Like... a title that contains "wiki" plus some other catchy suffix? ;-)
Nemo
Again, "Wiki" means "wikileaks" to many folks these days. "Wikiconference" isn't enough to distinguish wikipedia from wikileaks. And there are plenty of examples of wiki software other than mediawiki...
If we're going to change the name (or add an official subtitle), IMNSHO "Wikipedia" needs to be somewhere in there, spelled out in full. That's what we're most known for. --scott
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:23 PM, olatunde olalekan isaac < reachout2isaac@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps something like "WikiConference 2017".
Best,
Isaac
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Olatunde Isaac, 07/11/2016 21:47:
Thus, it would be more appropriate to use a title known to the general public.
Like... a title that contains "wiki" plus some other catchy suffix? ;-)
Nemo
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To quote C. Scott Ananian
I have no idea how to concisely include all the "Wikimedia projects" and still mention "Wikipedia" in the title... which suggests perhaps that Ed's version ("Wikimania: the global wikipedia summit") or whatever subtitle Lodewijk used isn't too far off.
maybe we are missing the target altogether, Wikipedia is our most identifiable brand, its what started the whole game and every other project in someway supports it. The bulk of all talks at Wikimanias are focused on Wikipedia activity. It could it be that when talk about reducing the size of Wikimania we could look in an alternative direction and focus on individual projects, the hack-a-thon has become a separate identity already, wikisource has held it own. This isnt saying that the conference wouldnt cover or cater for other projects as it already does but it would give us something broader to sell to the sponsors, venues etc by calling it the Wikipedia Conference it could then focus on the 300 languages, the work in the incubator, it would also create a greater immediate impact externally and encourage more people to come learn more and get involved, it'd be sellable to GLAM and media alike... Every one would have the ability to focus on the local language as a key platform
The Wikimedia Conference could then remain maybe even be expanded to enable more attendees focused as it already is on the movement
A Commons conference would be media based looking more at copyright, personality rights even equipment which would open us to whole new world of sponsors Imagine the people who could be a Key note speaker at a Commons conference that would otherwise bore the pants off every other attendee at a Wikimania.
each and every conference would run at its own rate annually, bi-annually, even one in four years choose locations that suit its own aims with scholarships for those that the community would really benefit from attending
Every conference would have cross over streams as no one project is isolated from any other, it would expand the focus and diverisfy the funding/sponsorship opportunities while addressing some of the key issues about the size of Wikimania, the way some sections of the community are lost and allow greater return on the brand identities of each project.
On 8 November 2016 at 07:04, C. Scott Ananian cananian@wikimedia.org wrote:
Again, "Wiki" means "wikileaks" to many folks these days. "Wikiconference" isn't enough to distinguish wikipedia from wikileaks. And there are plenty of examples of wiki software other than mediawiki...
If we're going to change the name (or add an official subtitle), IMNSHO "Wikipedia" needs to be somewhere in there, spelled out in full. That's what we're most known for. --scott
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:23 PM, olatunde olalekan isaac < reachout2isaac@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps something like "WikiConference 2017".
Best,
Isaac
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com
wrote:
Olatunde Isaac, 07/11/2016 21:47:
Thus, it would be more appropriate to use a title known to the general public.
Like... a title that contains "wiki" plus some other catchy suffix? ;-)
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I would be very sad if Wikimania was to become only a Wikipedia Conference. I enjoyed the 2 Wikimanias I went to, because I could hear about different projects and imagine interactions between them. I think that Wikimedia projects can thrieve with help of the others and hope that we won't build more barriers betwen them as there already are!
As for the name, "Wikimania" doesn't seem offensive to me, but English is not my maternal language (French is). Perhaps it isn't descriptive enough for outsiders, but do we really want a lot of non-wikimedians at Wikimania? I presume this will be one of the questions that are to be discussed concerning Wikimania's future and goals.
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On 08/11/16 06:59, Hélène Pedrosa-Masson wrote:
As for the name, "Wikimania" doesn't seem offensive to me, but English is not my maternal language (French is). Perhaps it isn't descriptive enough for outsiders, but do we really want a lot of non-wikimedians at Wikimania? I presume this will be one of the questions that are to be discussed concerning Wikimania's future and goals.
Yes, if the conference was a group of bipolar types, they could call it "Flip Flop Mania" or "Up Down Mania"....
This is all about the name. Nothing to do with the conference aims and content and spirit (I have also been to two Wikimanias).
Gordo
Salut Hélène,
Je pense que l'idée c'est que tout comme Wikipedia est l'encyclopédie que n'importe qui peut éditer, tout le monde est bienvenu à Wikimania. En 2014, je me suis occupé du stand d'exposition WMUK dans le hall de la Barbican à Londres toute la semaine, et j'ai été ravi de parler de Wikipédia, Wikimedia, notre travail et nos espoirs et nos rêves à des dizaines de «non-wikimédians» qui sont venu et qui ensuite sont parti voulant contribuer . Il y avait aussi des nombreux francophones. J’ai assisté à plusieurs Wikimanias.
I think the idea is that just as Wikipedia is the encyclopedia anyone can edit, anyone is welcome to come to Wikimania. In 2014 I looked after the WMUK stall in the lobby at the Barbican in London and I was thrilled to talk about Wikipedia, Wikimedia, our work and hopes and dreams to dozens of 'non-wikimedians' who came and then went away wanting to contribute. There were plenty of French speakers among them too. I’ve been to several Wikimanias.
Kudpung
On 10Dec, 2016, at 21:47, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 08/11/16 06:59, Hélène Pedrosa-Masson wrote:
As for the name, "Wikimania" doesn't seem offensive to me, but English is not my maternal language (French is). Perhaps it isn't descriptive enough for outsiders, but do we really want a lot of non-wikimedians at Wikimania? I presume this will be one of the questions that are to be discussed concerning Wikimania's future and goals.
Yes, if the conference was a group of bipolar types, they could call it "Flip Flop Mania" or "Up Down Mania"....
This is all about the name. Nothing to do with the conference aims and content and spirit (I have also been to two Wikimanias).
Gordo
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GN,
While I understand where you are coming from (ie. Wikipedia as the more recognizable name to the public) it would seem to be a poor time to portray the gathering as just Wikipedia-centric, especially with the rise of Wikidata as a major force in more things we are doing, such as Wikimedia Commons.
The best solution may be somewhere in the middle, where conference adopts a subtitle that includes “Wikipedia” prominently, in order to make it more SEO friendly.
-Andrew
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On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
To quote C. Scott Ananian
I have no idea how to concisely include all the "Wikimedia projects" and still mention "Wikipedia" in the title... which suggests perhaps that Ed's version ("Wikimania: the global wikipedia summit") or whatever subtitle Lodewijk used isn't too far off.
maybe we are missing the target altogether, Wikipedia is our most identifiable brand, its what started the whole game and every other project in someway supports it. The bulk of all talks at Wikimanias are focused on Wikipedia activity. It could it be that when talk about reducing the size of Wikimania we could look in an alternative direction and focus on individual projects, the hack-a-thon has become a separate identity already, wikisource has held it own. This isnt saying that the conference wouldnt cover or cater for other projects as it already does but it would give us something broader to sell to the sponsors, venues etc by calling it the Wikipedia Conference it could then focus on the 300 languages, the work in the incubator, it would also create a greater immediate impact externally and encourage more people to come learn more and get involved, it'd be sellable to GLAM and media alike... Every one would have the ability to focus on the local language as a key platform
The Wikimedia Conference could then remain maybe even be expanded to enable more attendees focused as it already is on the movement
A Commons conference would be media based looking more at copyright, personality rights even equipment which would open us to whole new world of sponsors Imagine the people who could be a Key note speaker at a Commons conference that would otherwise bore the pants off every other attendee at a Wikimania.
each and every conference would run at its own rate annually, bi-annually, even one in four years choose locations that suit its own aims with scholarships for those that the community would really benefit from attending
Every conference would have cross over streams as no one project is isolated from any other, it would expand the focus and diverisfy the funding/sponsorship opportunities while addressing some of the key issues about the size of Wikimania, the way some sections of the community are lost and allow greater return on the brand identities of each project.
On 8 November 2016 at 07:04, C. Scott Ananian cananian@wikimedia.org wrote:
Again, "Wiki" means "wikileaks" to many folks these days. "Wikiconference" isn't enough to distinguish wikipedia from wikileaks. And there are plenty of examples of wiki software other than mediawiki...
If we're going to change the name (or add an official subtitle), IMNSHO "Wikipedia" needs to be somewhere in there, spelled out in full. That's what we're most known for. --scott
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:23 PM, olatunde olalekan isaac < reachout2isaac@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps something like "WikiConference 2017".
Best,
Isaac
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) < nemowiki@gmail.com> wrote:
Olatunde Isaac, 07/11/2016 21:47:
Thus, it would be more appropriate to use a title known to the general public.
Like... a title that contains "wiki" plus some other catchy suffix? ;-)
Nemo
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Not trying to diminish the value of any project nor prevent cross connections between the communities, I just thinking of alternative ways to grow every project and to value each ones unique identity
I see Wikidata growing as force of its own and some ways over shadowing Wikipedia and attracting a whole different set of contributor, audience and end users. From my experience with WikiData Tour Downunder we did see a different group of interested parties in the project and its potential.
https://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Wikidata_Tour_Down_Under#Outcomes
By individualising project focus events we would create new opportunities and help further strengthen those communities, and yes these would still run multiple sessions including coverage of other projects. They would also be able to refine the scholarships to ensure that better outcomes could be achieved
On 8 November 2016 at 15:16, Andrew Lih andrew@andrewlih.com wrote:
GN,
While I understand where you are coming from (ie. Wikipedia as the more recognizable name to the public) it would seem to be a poor time to portray the gathering as just Wikipedia-centric, especially with the rise of Wikidata as a major force in more things we are doing, such as Wikimedia Commons.
The best solution may be somewhere in the middle, where conference adopts a subtitle that includes “Wikipedia” prominently, in order to make it more SEO friendly.
-Andrew
-Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: andrew@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
To quote C. Scott Ananian
I have no idea how to concisely include all the "Wikimedia projects" and still mention "Wikipedia" in the title... which suggests perhaps that Ed's version ("Wikimania: the global wikipedia summit") or whatever subtitle Lodewijk used isn't too far off.
maybe we are missing the target altogether, Wikipedia is our most identifiable brand, its what started the whole game and every other project in someway supports it. The bulk of all talks at Wikimanias are focused on Wikipedia activity. It could it be that when talk about reducing the size of Wikimania we could look in an alternative direction and focus on individual projects, the hack-a-thon has become a separate identity already, wikisource has held it own. This isnt saying that the conference wouldnt cover or cater for other projects as it already does but it would give us something broader to sell to the sponsors, venues etc by calling it the Wikipedia Conference it could then focus on the 300 languages, the work in the incubator, it would also create a greater immediate impact externally and encourage more people to come learn more and get involved, it'd be sellable to GLAM and media alike... Every one would have the ability to focus on the local language as a key platform
The Wikimedia Conference could then remain maybe even be expanded to enable more attendees focused as it already is on the movement
A Commons conference would be media based looking more at copyright, personality rights even equipment which would open us to whole new world of sponsors Imagine the people who could be a Key note speaker at a Commons conference that would otherwise bore the pants off every other attendee at a Wikimania.
each and every conference would run at its own rate annually, bi-annually, even one in four years choose locations that suit its own aims with scholarships for those that the community would really benefit from attending
Every conference would have cross over streams as no one project is isolated from any other, it would expand the focus and diverisfy the funding/sponsorship opportunities while addressing some of the key issues about the size of Wikimania, the way some sections of the community are lost and allow greater return on the brand identities of each project.
On 8 November 2016 at 07:04, C. Scott Ananian cananian@wikimedia.org wrote:
Again, "Wiki" means "wikileaks" to many folks these days. "Wikiconference" isn't enough to distinguish wikipedia from wikileaks. And there are plenty of examples of wiki software other than mediawiki...
If we're going to change the name (or add an official subtitle), IMNSHO "Wikipedia" needs to be somewhere in there, spelled out in full. That's what we're most known for. --scott
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:23 PM, olatunde olalekan isaac < reachout2isaac@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps something like "WikiConference 2017".
Best,
Isaac
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) < nemowiki@gmail.com> wrote:
Olatunde Isaac, 07/11/2016 21:47:
Thus, it would be more appropriate to use a title known to the general public.
Like... a title that contains "wiki" plus some other catchy suffix? ;-)
Nemo
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