The question would also be: - is this a significant problem - Do we wánt to solve this problem (what is our targeted audience) - Are there other ways to achieve the same (When I had to pitch Wikimania as a conference with potential partners in the Amsterdam 2010 bid, we always used a subtitle - which worked fine. People actually appreciated a more unique brand/name) - finally, are there any benefits to keeping Wikimania as a name I see how one can make a case - but without addressing all these questions, such case is imho not complete. Lodewijk 2016-11-07 15:08 GMT+01:00 Luca Martinelli <martinelliluca(a)gmail.com>om>: _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

​*Now the 1 million dollar (...) question: to whom do we address the task ​Well, might not be the easiest answer, but: Why not run a vote? Have some period of "submissions of name", and an after vote open to all community on it (with bots, sitenotice and etc to advertise it.) and let the community decide. _____ *​Béria L​. de Rodríguez* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* 2016-11-07 12:08 GMT-02:00 Luca Martinelli <martinelliluca(a)gmail.com>om>: _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

I apologize if this is a bit of a hand grenade in the discussion, but: If we are really concerned with third parties understanding what our conference is about, we should really use "Wikipedia" in the title and avoid the use of "Wikimedia". The general public really has no clue what Wikimedia means. If you just use "Wiki-" they think "Wikileaks". That's just the place we are at right now. I have no idea how to concisely include all the "Wikimedia projects" and still mention "Wikipedia" in the title... which suggests perhaps that Ed's version ("Wikimania: the global wikipedia summit") or whatever subtitle Lodewijk used isn't too far off. I suspect that it's just plain hard to come up with a short name which captures the entire intended scope of the conference (the "Wikipedia and Related Projects Conference"?), and so a short name that tries instead of capture the "fun" aspect (which is what -mania connotes to most of us) is a reasonable alternative. --scott On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Andrew Lih <andrew(a)andrewlih.com> wrote: -- (http://cscott.net) _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

Thus, it would be more appropriate to use a title known to the general public.

Perhaps something like "WikiConference 2017". Best, Isaac On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

To quote C. Scott Ananian I have no idea how to concisely include all the "Wikimedia projects" and still mention "Wikipedia" in the title... which suggests perhaps that Ed's version ("Wikimania: the global wikipedia summit") or whatever subtitle Lodewijk used isn't too far off. maybe we are missing the target altogether, Wikipedia is our most identifiable brand, its what started the whole game and every other project in someway supports it. The bulk of all talks at Wikimanias are focused on Wikipedia activity. It could it be that when talk about reducing the size of Wikimania we could look in an alternative direction and focus on individual projects, the hack-a-thon has become a separate identity already, wikisource has held it own. This isnt saying that the conference wouldnt cover or cater for other projects as it already does but it would give us something broader to sell to the sponsors, venues etc by calling it the Wikipedia Conference it could then focus on the 300 languages, the work in the incubator, it would also create a greater immediate impact externally and encourage more people to come learn more and get involved, it'd be sellable to GLAM and media alike... Every one would have the ability to focus on the local language as a key platform The Wikimedia Conference could then remain maybe even be expanded to enable more attendees focused as it already is on the movement A Commons conference would be media based looking more at copyright, personality rights even equipment which would open us to whole new world of sponsors Imagine the people who could be a Key note speaker at a Commons conference that would otherwise bore the pants off every other attendee at a Wikimania. each and every conference would run at its own rate annually, bi-annually, even one in four years choose locations that suit its own aims with scholarships for those that the community would really benefit from attending Every conference would have cross over streams as no one project is isolated from any other, it would expand the focus and diverisfy the funding/sponsorship opportunities while addressing some of the key issues about the size of Wikimania, the way some sections of the community are lost and allow greater return on the brand identities of each project.

GN, While I understand where you are coming from (ie. Wikipedia as the more recognizable name to the public) it would seem to be a poor time to portray the gathering as just Wikipedia-centric, especially with the rise of Wikidata as a major force in more things we are doing, such as Wikimedia Commons. The best solution may be somewhere in the middle, where conference adopts a subtitle that includes “Wikipedia” prominently, in order to make it more SEO friendly. -Andrew -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: andrew(a)andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

On 10Dec, 2016, at 21:47, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote: On 08/11/16 06:59, Hélène Pedrosa-Masson wrote: Yes, if the conference was a group of bipolar types, they could call it "Flip Flop Mania" or "Up Down Mania".... This is all about the name. Nothing to do with the conference aims and content and spirit (I have also been to two Wikimanias). Gordo _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

On 07/11/16 14:50, Lodewijk wrote: Yes, I still think this is an issue, since it shows a lack of clarity and correctness in the use of a term in the English language. Below is another example of where a term in the field of mental illness is not well understood, in this case by Piers Morgan. Guardian, Thursday 15 December 2016 12.53 GMT https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/15/ piers-morgan-ptsd-lady-gaga-post-traumatic-stress-disorder-soldiers https://v.gd/9zNPFF **********quote Lady Gaga has told how she was raped at the age of 19 by a man 20 years her senior. “I suffer from PTSD,” she said in a Today show interview on the US network NBC. “I’ve never told anyone that before.” On Saturday, on Twitter, Piers Morgan tweeted a CNN piece headlined “Lady Gaga: ‘I have PTSD’” with his response: “No, soldiers returning from battlefields do. Enough of this vain-glorious nonsense.” He followed this with another tweet to his 5.3 million followers – “I come from a big military family. It angers me when celebrities start claiming ‘PTSD’ about everything to promote themselves”.... quote********** Gordo _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l