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Wikimania 2008 date & first IRC public meeting
by simonpedia 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

Dear Markie, Aphaia, Mido, Thanks for your feedback. You’ll understand that all I’m trying to do here is suggest ways for wikimedia communications to be bought into the 21st century. I have no bias as to which tools might suit global groups. I’m simply pointing to ones that are often used by global groups to overcome the basics such as spending about a month talking about how, and when, to get a global conversation together, so the word can be spread and related events (co)organized. Let me be thorough about your reply of the 21st of last month as if you have not used a forum, you may not be aware of how easy things are made by keeping a conversation to one thread rather than spreading an announcement over a number of separate elists or wikis. Markie said,“ >>>the link there is wrong and i have now fixed it. it should have pointed to HYPERLINK "http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planning/Meetings"http://wikimania2 008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planning/Meetings instead of the page it was pointing to which was the unstable version of the homepage for design changes etc... also "make it more obvious", okay... the meeting announcement was IIRC sent to the foundation mailing list, wikimania mailing list, in wikizine and was mentioned on the meta wiki and mania wiki. it was also put up in various IRC channel topics and was probably sent elsewhere.. so if youve got any ideas as to where else we should put it ill try to find time to put meetings announcements there Thanks for the fix (knew it had to be something like that but lack your experience). An “obvious” starting point would be here. HYPERLINK "http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Events"http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Events . You might take Mike Halterman’s approach (just below at the COTA conference) Delete the history lesson(s) and link as if we are talking about just this year’s Wikimania, cause this page should. Seems like a collaboration between these two conference groups would halve the workload for both and double their returns, but that’s up to them. And thanks for the IRC for dummies. It’s what is needed on the CPG page (if you have an interest). Markie said “….vertical walls and narrow channels, im not sure what that means..” Vertical walls are those mental ones that are created by separate email lists and WMF projects. They won’t exist in your mind so much as you seem to have been here awhile. But it causes the obvious things to be missed like that link off the main meta events page ro the wikimania page, which would be a starting point for most outsiders. It also means so much spam through the habit of sending the same message to the incrowds’ lists. Narrow channels are similar things like the Foundation elist; Jimmy’s “sewer” as he calls it. People are obviously ambitious for the monster he’s created, and the supposed system for dealing with all their proposals is almost dead = HYPERLINK "http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects#Wikimedia_Outreac h"http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects#Wikimedia_Outrea ch So they go to one list = one narrow channel = where they vent their frustrations, rather than being offered a system & tools where they can meet potential peers and rev a project or put it to bed. Eric and Sue provide ‘new’ eyes here so hopefully we might see an outcome this year. Aphaia, said; “as a non native speaker of English, and as Transcom chair, regarding the potential translation, I strongly oppose to have our regular meeting on voice chat” That’s fair, completely agree, and why I said Skype “would seem friendlier than > IRC (by itself)”. All I’m proposing is to investigate tools which are often used by global groups to see which combinations will fall into useful routines. Re: Skypecast. You’ll notice I also put a link to Wikipedia Weekly immediately below the one to skype (on the CPG page). I really don’t give a stuff which tool is used here. What I’m trying to encourage is a place where people can get together, have a conversation, stream it if they want, and perhaps take minutes and/or record for podcasting, etc, systematically. Skype’s just one freebie that seems useful. I could have suggested a couple of tools that UK’s Open uni would probably provide tools for nix if it was considered useful. E.g HYPERLINK "http://kmi.open.ac.uk/technologies/msg/2007/11/21/video-chat/"http://kmi.op en.ac.uk/technologies/msg/2007/11/21/video-chat/ HYPERLINK "http://oufm.open.ac.uk/"http://oufm.open.ac.uk/ (NB Forget the video, but we could chat, talk and view (i.e. work on) pages together) But inertia seems to be in the wikimedia culture just now. I’m sure Casey will have the pulse across remote groups better than I do. Most isolated groups seem to believe the world runs as they see it, so feedback like “irc is fine and is used by many people to communicate normally” is pretty “normal”. In other places, the forum approach is considered normal. HYPERLINK "http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/"http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/ And so “wikis for communicating? You’ve got to be joking” is their normal response. Mido. You obviously have the Bibliotech onside, which as far as I can see means that the National Library (NL) must be involved. Forget COTA for a bit, although their programme will obviously coincide nicely with your own in spots. The greatest sell as I would put to your NL is to compare between the “Old world, New World”. Get some bright Egyptian (TV or locally respected) presenter to compare Alexander’s library to Wikipedia. The Library will have tons of content through their global connections. I’ve spent part of my life trying to inspire some nice old Rotarians at these kind of annual events, which usually means coming up with something to wake them up before their sleepy sessions begin. < it’s just a suggestion, but if the idea is to raise the WMF profile over there, then this is one point in time, and place, where the comparison could get some old and new heads nodding in unison. If they need spoonfeeding just compare this HYPERLINK "http://www.worlddigitallibrary.org/project/english/"http://www.worlddigital library.org/project/english/ to 46 million users/month. OK. To summarise. The HYPERLINK "http://www.accessgrid.org/"http://www.accessgrid.org/ (AG) is just the fattest version of Skypecast or the OU’s meeting rooms. There are lots of others. The AG would be a useful tool for tying together conferences (and/or their sessions) in different countries at the same time, and streaming to non attendees so they could ask question or give input when its wanted. They are all just global classrooms. We already have a framework for a global library, which is more than the UN has done, so we might as well try to include a few National librarians to help fill some gaps. Excuse the length of this loaf. But it’s better than 3 half baked cookies. Happy New Year. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 9/01/2008 10:16 AM

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Testing pentabarf (was: More help needed on Wikimania 2008 Program)
by Luis Henrique Fagundes 07 Jan '08

07 Jan '08

Hi Jacob, I'm testing right now, and writing comments as I do it. I guess you already noted some of them, but here it goes: - When you first creat an account, the subject of e-mail is something like "activate your pentabarf account", would better be "activate your wikimania 2008 paper submission account" or similar - Once user activates the account, there could be a direct link for logging in - The Wikimania logo only appears after logging in - There could be notes on abstract, description and resources fields, with instructions like the size of text expected. - The image submitted is automatically resized, there could be a note saying the expected dimensions of the image. That's all I see for now, it looks great! I volunteer for giving technical help on pentabarf if you need. I have no experience with it, but I know php very well and can invest some time in hacking it. Luis On Jan 6, 2008 11:53 PM, Jakob Voss <jakob.voss(a)nichtich.de> wrote: > Hi Ray! > > You wrote > > > While I may not be suited in helping directly on this kind of task, My > > one wish is that there be a significant track to deal with the issues of > > WMF governance. Having one session where the participants meet the > > Board on the last day is not enough. At both Boston and Taipei this > > only raised a lot of questions when there was no further time for > > discussion. Some very important and difficult questions have recently > > been raised on the Foundation list, and those questions require a > > thorough airing. > > We are just testing a submission and planing system for the conference > that might be used. Can you please help testing it by submitting your > wish as a concrete idea for an event at Wikimania 2008 via > https://wikimedia.pentabarf.org/submission/wikimania2008 and give > feedback whether this kind of giving input is suitable? I strongly bet > that discussing single ideas like I-want-a-session-on-X or > how-about-a-workshop-on-Y is not the way it will work. > > Thanks and greetings, > Jakob > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >

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More help needed on Wikimania 2008 Program
by Muhammad Alsebaey 07 Jan '08

07 Jan '08

Hi Everyone and happy new year, We are in the process of shaping how the Wikimania 2008 program will be, discussions are ongoing on how to shape the CfP, tracks, side-events, etc. And we are in need for more people to get involved in those things, I am hoping we can get the CfP out by the end of January. All interested please reply here, thank you. -- Best Regards, Muhammad Alsebaey

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Re: [Wikimania-l] More help needed on Wikimania 2008 Program
by 65s.mg＠atlas.cz 06 Jan '08

06 Jan '08

I want to help too. But I need more information. --MReary

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Fwd: [Foundation-l] Wikimania dates--Changed
by Casey Brown 24 Dec '07

24 Dec '07

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Moushira Elamrawy <moushirah(a)gmail.com> Date: Dec 24, 2007 2:25 PM Subject: [Foundation-l] Wikimania dates--Changed To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Dear all, This is to inform you that Wikimania dates has been changed to 17-19 July. We hope this fits better with the Euro/American week formats; so as to avoid a conference that would cross two weeks and end on a Monday, as in the previous date. Thank you, Moushira _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost.

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Wikimania 2008 date & first IRC public meeting
by simonpedia 23 Dec '07

23 Dec '07

Mido, I just discovered you’ve had a few meetings already. Have made a link on this page HYPERLINK "http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2008"http://meta.wikimedia.org/wik i/Wikimania_2008 at “planning” to here HYPERLINK "http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planning/Main_Page"http://wikimania 2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planning/Main_Page so the less informed might know too. But you might want to make it more obvious. The lack of clear linkages between projects, as they move forward at differing speeds, is the same for all. Look, would you consider using skype for some of these discussions? I’m not really used to using it a lot but it would seem friendlier than IRC (by itself) Have put a link to a Skypecast room I just set up, on this page HYPERLINK "http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communication_Projects_Group"http://meta.wik imedia.org/wiki/Communication_Projects_Group (bottom right) It could be left open all the time, if it’s a useful thing. I can send the password if yu want. Yu could set up your own but that would just replicate the silo effect of the wiki elists. I’m trying to find out which comms tools will be the most convenient to global groups, who are locked into their vertical walls and narrow channels. I’ll also mention that I’d quite happily beat the bushes to see about doing a global link up between Alexandria and the runners up and next year’s winner, using a fatter version of Skypecast called the Accessgrid. HYPERLINK "http://www.accessgrid.org/"http://www.accessgrid.org/ This is one thing they do every year to get some practice. HYPERLINK "http://digitalunion.osu.edu/megaconference/"http://digitalunion.osu.edu/meg aconference/ I think the Bibliotech geeks (or a local uni) would be able to cover it, and I’ve mentioned it to a few other node operators for a while now. So as long as there is an interesting programme, which might include a few big names, who could pipe in from global places, I’m sure they’d help. It might be useful for getting a few other National Libraries involved. E.g The one in Oz has a fat pipe next door too. Anyway, give it some thought would you? All the best, simon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/2007 1:17 PM

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22 Dec. canceled meeting
by Mido 22 Dec '07

22 Dec '07

Dear all, First, I'd like to apologize for the mistake that happened today. Please make sure it won't happen again I can't say sorry enough to the people who attended and waited for us, I hope this was never ever happen again, there was a lot of circumstances that happen together either for me or other team members, this was certainly not on purpose and should have been a notice that it can be canceled, we were in the last day of Eid and I didn't have internet access nearly all day due to a personal event I attended outside home. I apologize again for this.. We're having our next meeting here in Alexandria on Monday, meanwhile we can arrange for the next meeting please advise when to be suitable, I dunno when you guys start your Christmas holidays and when it would be convenient to hold that meeting. one more thing, I'd like to thank all the guys active on the wiki and here on the mailing list during the last period, I'm looking forward that we will bring out a wonderful event together. sorry for the inconvenience today may have caused you. have a good holiday :) Mido -- - Arabic Wikipedia: http://ar.wikipedia.org/ "Share your knowledge"

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just a happy thing :-)
by Wikinews Markie 21 Dec '07

21 Dec '07

Just a happy thing to cheer us all up (along with the holidays) before the meeting - spelling check versions of Wikimania Firefox (which also is not recognised as a good word :-) trys to correct it to : * Kleptomania * Megalomania Word tries to correct to: * Nothing :-) Go on - add to the list :-) Mark (A fun person) as well as an online team member :-)

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Wikimania 2008 - 2nd Public meeting
by Wikinews Markie 21 Dec '07

21 Dec '07

Just a quick reminder to people that the second public meeting for Wikimania 2008 will be held in #wikimania2008 on Dec 22, at 15:00 UTC (tomorrow/today :-). * http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC - Channel infos * http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planning/Meetings#December_22_2007 - More info on meeting Hope to see you all there, and for those of you not there we will have logs posted and a brief summary up as soon as possible after the meeting. Thanks Mark (http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Markie) PS: sorry for the spam like message :-)

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Wikimania 2009
by Cary Bass 15 Dec '07

15 Dec '07

Hello all, This is to formally announce that the official bidding for Wikimania 2009 is now open. All "unofficial" bids have been removed to another page as the official process is now begun. Please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2009/Official_requirements_for_bid ding_cities> for the official requirements. New bids may be placed at <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2009/Bids> Thank you all! -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator Your continued donations keep Wikipedia running! Support the Wikimedia Foundation today: http://donate.wikimedia.org Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. Phone: 727.231.0101 Fax: 727.258.0207 E-Mail: cbass(a)wikimedia.org

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