Hi folks,
A forward mail needing a bit of attention from all of you. This is regarding http://dmoz.org/World/Kannada/ Chengappa is a 'catall' editor at ODP - meaning he has edit previleges to the top level category on /World/Kannada on dmoz. He mentions that his familiarity of the language is limited, and hence requested for some help with the kannada words that form the names of the primary categories of http://dmoz.org/World/Kannada and more prominantly insists on being "convinced" for the ones I suggested. There are two issues: 1) Naming - the editor has been informed that "aate" is for games, "vyapaare" is for business, "praante" for region. 2) Unicode or just English script - wether the category name should be in kannada unicode or English script (in itrans style).
Please send out your opinions and convincing notes.
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Hi chengappa,
I'm forwarding this mail to the kannada wikipedia list. The volunteers here volunteer in editing kannada wikipedia (which is an open content encyclopedia) in their free time. They may help in convincing you that its ಆಟ (aata) and not ಆಟೆ (aate), ವ್ಯಾಪಾರ (vyaapaara) and not ವ್ಯಾಪಾರೆ (vyaapaare). If someone has told the former is true, I'm afraid you've been highly misinformed.
also, its "praanta" not praante. But vishwa sound good 'cos pranta denotes "region".
Personally I feel its fair enough to use unicode as some or the other day that needs to be done.
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: I. M. Chengappa imc@chengappa.demon.co.uk Date: Apr 16, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: Re: ODP Editor Feedback To: Hari Prasad Nadig hpnadig@gmail.com
Hi. Regarding the subcats, I'll make some of the changes shortly, but perhaps not all, because of recent machine problems, I have to copy all the stuff between machines to work with Kannada fonts. I've some questions. I'm going to write all these in a simplified Itrans because of the fonts problem.
aaTe to aaTagaLu - will do, but see below
aaroogya is ok
kompyuTar has already been changed just before you were accepted. That's the reason for the strange category that appears first in your request/accept list. Please do not put comments such ' the name of the category is erroneous' into the category description; this is part of the public directory. You should raise these in the forums or by email.
kale is ok?
kriiDe is ok (but consider my comments on Recreation, below)
praante to vishwa . See question below.
vignyaana is ok
vyaapaare to vyaapaare - will do
(reference) to ullekhagaLu
samaaja is ok.
suddi is ok.
The reason for aaTe and vyaapaare is that I was told by one person that all these forms should end in 'e' in this context, rather than 'a'. She also said the same for samaaja , et.c. though I never changed that. Presumably she was wrong?
praante is supposed to be Regional. You've provided an alternative regional, Draadeeshika?
I assume you intend vishwa to be World, yes? But there will be no World cat, except in the root of Dmoz = English Dmoz, containing all languages other than English. It's a bad choice of heading in English, would have made more sense as 'Languages'.
Shopping and Recreation. Consider if these are needed at the top level? They are present at the top level in English DMOZ only because of its history and derivation from the old usenet hierarchy. Ideally Shopping would be a subcat of Business, and Recreation would be combined with Sports and Games (the distinction between these latter three is quite artificial in English). Many languages do not have such top level cats because they confuse the overall ontology (as they do in English).
Kids and Teens - no, not for World/Kannada. The K&T directory is a separate directory, with its own rules and management system, and it could have a Kannada subcat there. See http://dmoz.org/Kids_and_Teens/International/. The alternative which you probably want here is a Society/Children equivalent. However, if there were a K&T/International/Kannada cat, that could be @linked into World/Kannada. See for instance, World/Deutsch which has such a link called Kinder und Teens.
Thanks, Chang.
Hi,
HP fwd'ed your email conversation to the Kannada Wikipedia list so we could send you our opinions. I've inlined mine.
V.
Hi. Regarding the subcats, I'll make some of the changes shortly, but perhaps not all, because of recent machine problems, I have to copy all the stuff between machines to work with Kannada fonts. I've some questions. I'm going to write all these in a simplified Itrans because of the fonts problem.
Maybe we can help you with your font issue then. Writing everything in itrans or some other scheme only postpones the work that should be done anyway. Most browsers of Windows (and most browsing is done from Windows) already render UTF-8 kannada. And Mac and Linux are catching up fast too. I personally feel the purpose of locale-ising is lost if ultimately we have to resort to reading kannada in roman alphabets.
The reason for aaTe and vyaapaare is that I was told by one person that all these forms should end in 'e' in this context, rather than 'a'. She also said the same for samaaja , et.c. though I never changed that. Presumably she was wrong?
I'm afraid so; it's a case of a rule taken out of context.
At any rate, what is aaTe meant for if you already have kriide as a category?
praante is supposed to be Regional. You've provided an alternative regional, Draadeeshika?
The correct term for regional would be praadeeshika or praantiiya.
I assume you intend vishwa to be World, yes? But there will be no World cat, except in the root of Dmoz = English Dmoz, containing all languages other than English. It's a bad choice of heading in English, would have made more sense as 'Languages'.
If the intent is to capture "everything else" under that category it might be better to name it "itare" for miscellaneous.
Shopping and Recreation. Consider if these are needed at the top level? They are present at the top level in English DMOZ only because of its ...
An apt term that means recreation would be manoollaasa (ಮನೋಲ್ಲಾಸ).