Wikikn-l April 2005

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ಸಾಹಿತಿಗಳ ಕುರಿತು ಲೇಖನಗ
by H P Nadig 29 Apr '05

29 Apr '05

ಕನ್ನಡದ ಸಾಹಿತಿಗಳನ್ನು ಕುರಿತು ಈಗಾಗಲೇ ಹಲವು ಲೇಖನಗಳು ವಿಕಿಪೀಡಿಯಾದಲ್ಲಿರುವುದು ನೀವೀಗಾಗಲೇ ಗಮನಿಸಿರಬಹುದು. ಗಮನಿಸಿರದಿದ್ದಲ್ಲಿ ಕೆಳಗಿನ ಪುಟಕ್ಕೆ ಭೇಟಿ ಕೊಡಿ... http://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:%E0%B2%B8%E0%B2%BE%E0%B2%B9%E0%B2% BF%E0%B2%A4%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%97%E0%B2%B3%E0%B3%81 ಆದರೆ ಕೆಲವು ಸಾಹಿತಿಗಳ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಇನ್ನೂ ಚುಟುಕು ಪುಟವನ್ನಾದರೂ ಪ್ರಾರಂಭಿಸಲಾಗಿಲ್ಲ. ಆದ್ದರಿಂದ ಕೆಳಗೆ ಪಟ್ಟಿ ಮಾಡಿರುವ ಸಾಹಿತಿಗಳ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಲೇಖನಗಳನ್ನು ಅಥವಾ ಚುಟುಕು ವಾಕ್ಯಗಳನ್ನು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಾದಲ್ಲಿ ಸೇರಿಸಿ. ಪಂಜೆ ಮಂಗೇಶರಾವ್ | ಜಿ ಎಸ್ ಶಿವರುದ್ರಪ್ಪ | ಪ್ರೊ. ಕೆ ನಿಸಾರ್ ಅಹಮದ್ | ಸು ರಂ ಎಕ್ಕುಂಡಿ | ಸಾ ಶಿ ಮರುಳಯ್ಯ | ತ್ರಿವೇಣಿ | ದಿನಕರ ದೇಸಾಯಿ - ಹರಿ ಪ್ರಸಾದ್ -- http://hpnadig.net/blog/ "Creativity requires the courage to let go of certainties." ~ Erich Fromm

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Creation of stubs
by H P Nadig 24 Apr '05

24 Apr '05

hi folks, Its come to my observation that large number of new editors/members who come in to the kannada wiki go clueless when starting new articles. (All one has to do in a wiki is to type the URL and then click on 'edit' to start editing). But still, to help them out more and to try expand the kannada wiki, I'm going to start adding some stubs (or short articles) for some articles that are very much needed on the wiki. Please feel free to create even the stubs until we can reach some 3:1 ratio for complete articles to stubs. We can try collaborating weekly on few and try expanding them. **** Any ideas for next collaboration? Looks like we've come to halt abruptly on the idea. Any takers for the weekly collaboration if we start one this week? - h.p. -- http://hpnadig.net/blog/ "Creativity requires the courage to let go of certainties." ~ Erich Fromm

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Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] Fwd: ODP Editor Feedback
by I. M. Chengappa 18 Apr '05

18 Apr '05

I am the ODP editor chang, real name Chengappa. I find myself in the unexpected position of having found what I thought would be a private email from me, here reproduced in a public forum. First comments. I've had two emails so far as a result of this thread, apart from those from Hari Prasad Nadig (HPN). Thanks to the person who sent a useful and constructive email. To the person who emailed me to say there were 'vulgar and blatant' errors in the ODP Kannada section, I've never suggested to anyone that I was competent in Kannada. 4 years or more ago, I posted a message in soc.culture.indian.karnataka <news:soc.culture.indian.karnataka> , asking for someone to volunteer to set this up. That produced one enquiry, and no further active input. I've also written privately to three strangers who I thought might be interested, and I've tried to persuade some of my relations in India to take on the work. None of this has been successful. My knowledge of Kannada is restricted to a couple of years learning at primary school level, and I am aware that my competence is minimal. I intended, and could only hope to provide a basic public ODP category to attract attention and interest. The results might be vulgar, but there are better answers than to criticise me for not doing things beyond my ability. But it is is good that there is active participation now. Hopefully this will increase, and this category will improve. Clarifications of some comments in previous posts. 1. The ODP has no font problem. The Kannada section is all in unicode, and has always been. The only current font problem is that on my internet facing machine, and I have had this only recently (since installing Suse Linux 9.3 ). I can no longer see any Kannada text. The 'issue' derives from a misunderstanding of my email, which on reading again, perhaps was not clearly written. HPN wrote to me suggesting changes of names, and included the suggestions written in Kannada unicode. All that the message was intended to say, was that my reply to HPN would include the Kannada names written in simplified itrans. 2. the 'kriiDe is ok' comment. The comments were made in response to HPN's prior email, which he has not posted, and they need to be seen in context of this. This email of his suggests some name changes; aaTe to aaTagaLu for instance, and you can see my agreement or questions on these changes. But it did not suggest any changes for kale, kriide, vignaanya, and others, and that is what I was seeking to confirm when I said 'kriide is ok', et.c. 3. The misreading of praadeeshika as draadeeshika was just that, literally a misreading. It came about after saving the email from HPN on another PC. On this machine, with WinXP, Firefox and Kannada fonts, the underlining of hyperlinks goes through the middle of the letter, not underneath. I've tried again since with IE6 and it is better. 4. The current World category exists under the ODP's root only, as http://dmoz.org/World., and houses all other language settings. This displays it in the English section of course, but it is there to keep the directory structure. There is no need for an equivalent 'World' category in any language. Cross referencing of directory categories is available across all languages with 'this category in other languages' links. Whether the English word Regional can be adequately translated as Vishwa is something I'm not well placed to judge. 5. There is no miscellaneous type category at the root of any language. In general, the ODP does not use such category anywhere if it can possibly be helped. I feel that there may be some other misunderstandings here, but these may be removed after HPN has had some time to become fully acquainted with ODP culture and guidelines. Despite the negative publicity the ODP gets, mainly because of its antagonistic relationship with the SEO industry, it is a successful, productive and functioning organisation. Thank you for your other comments, I'll take them on board. I've to go back to real life now.

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Fwd: ODP Editor Feedback
by Hari Prasad Nadig 17 Apr '05

17 Apr '05

Hi folks, A forward mail needing a bit of attention from all of you. This is regarding http://dmoz.org/World/Kannada/ Chengappa is a 'catall' editor at ODP - meaning he has edit previleges to the top level category on /World/Kannada on dmoz. He mentions that his familiarity of the language is limited, and hence requested for some help with the kannada words that form the names of the primary categories of http://dmoz.org/World/Kannada and more prominantly insists on being "convinced" for the ones I suggested. There are two issues: 1) Naming - the editor has been informed that "aate" is for games, "vyapaare" is for business, "praante" for region. 2) Unicode or just English script - wether the category name should be in kannada unicode or English script (in itrans style). Please send out your opinions and convincing notes. ================================== Hi chengappa, I'm forwarding this mail to the kannada wikipedia list. The volunteers here volunteer in editing kannada wikipedia (which is an open content encyclopedia) in their free time. They may help in convincing you that its ಆಟ (aata) and not ಆಟೆ (aate), ವ್ಯಾಪಾರ (vyaapaara) and not ವ್ಯಾಪಾರೆ (vyaapaare). If someone has told the former is true, I'm afraid you've been highly misinformed. also, its "praanta" not praante. But vishwa sound good 'cos pranta denotes "region". Personally I feel its fair enough to use unicode as some or the other day that needs to be done. ================================== ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: I. M. Chengappa <imc(a)chengappa.demon.co.uk> Date: Apr 16, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: Re: ODP Editor Feedback To: Hari Prasad Nadig <hpnadig(a)gmail.com> Hi. Regarding the subcats, I'll make some of the changes shortly, but perhaps not all, because of recent machine problems, I have to copy all the stuff between machines to work with Kannada fonts. I've some questions. I'm going to write all these in a simplified Itrans because of the fonts problem. aaTe to aaTagaLu - will do, but see below aaroogya is ok kompyuTar has already been changed just before you were accepted. That's the reason for the strange category that appears first in your request/accept list. Please do not put comments such ' the name of the category is erroneous' into the category description; this is part of the public directory. You should raise these in the forums or by email. kale is ok? kriiDe is ok (but consider my comments on Recreation, below) praante to vishwa . See question below. vignyaana is ok vyaapaare to vyaapaare - will do (reference) to ullekhagaLu samaaja is ok. suddi is ok. The reason for aaTe and vyaapaare is that I was told by one person that all these forms should end in 'e' in this context, rather than 'a'. She also said the same for samaaja , et.c. though I never changed that. Presumably she was wrong? praante is supposed to be Regional. You've provided an alternative regional, Draadeeshika? I assume you intend vishwa to be World, yes? But there will be no World cat, except in the root of Dmoz = English Dmoz, containing all languages other than English. It's a bad choice of heading in English, would have made more sense as 'Languages'. Shopping and Recreation. Consider if these are needed at the top level? They are present at the top level in English DMOZ only because of its history and derivation from the old usenet hierarchy. Ideally Shopping would be a subcat of Business, and Recreation would be combined with Sports and Games (the distinction between these latter three is quite artificial in English). Many languages do not have such top level cats because they confuse the overall ontology (as they do in English). Kids and Teens - no, not for World/Kannada. The K&T directory is a separate directory, with its own rules and management system, and it could have a Kannada subcat there. See http://dmoz.org/Kids_and_Teens/International/. The alternative which you probably want here is a Society/Children equivalent. However, if there were a K&T/International/Kannada cat, that could be @linked into World/Kannada. See for instance, World/Deutsch which has such a link called Kinder und Teens. Thanks, Chang. -- http://www.hpnadig.net/blog/ Ring out false pride in place and blood, The civic slander and the spite; Ring in the love of truth and right, Ring in the common love of good. ~ Alfred, Lord Tennyson ~

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ಯುಗಾದಿ ಹಬ್ಬ ದ ಶುಭಾಶಯಗಳು
by Hari Prasad Nadig 08 Apr '05

08 Apr '05

ವಿಕಿಪೀಡಿಯ ಸದಸ್ಯರೆಲ್ಲರಿಗೂ ಯುಗಾದಿ ಹಬ್ಬದ ಶುಭಾಶಯಗಳು. ಹೊಸ ವರುಷ ಎಲ್ಲರ ಜೀವನದಲ್ಲೂ ಇನ್ನಷ್ಟು ಸಂತಸ ತರಲಿ ಎಂದು ಹಾರೈಸುವ. - ಹರಿ ಪ್ರಸಾದ್ ನಾಡಿಗ್ -- http://www.hpnadig.net/blog/ Ring out false pride in place and blood, The civic slander and the spite; Ring in the love of truth and right, Ring in the common love of good. ~ Alfred, Lord Tennyson ~

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ದೃಶ್ಯ ಅಂತರ್ಜಲ
by Venkatesha Murthy 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

ಈ ಪುಟ ದೃಶ್ಯ ಅಂತರ್ಜಲ: ಆಂಗ್ಲ: World Wide Web ಸೇರಿಸಿದವರು ದಯಮಾಡಿ ಗಮನಿಸಿ: ಅಂತರ್ಜಲ - ನೆಲದಲ್ಲಿ ಅಡಗಿರುವ, ಅಗೆದು ಪಡೆಯಬಹುದಾದ ನೀರು. ground water ಅಂತರ್ಜಾಲ - internetನ ಕನ್ನಡ ರೂಪ Rename ಮಾಡಲು ನನ್ನಿಂದ ಆಗಲಿಲ್ಲ. ಮಾಡಬಲ್ಲವರು ದಯವಿಟ್ಟು ತಿದ್ದಿರಿ. ವೆಂ. -- Nunc Tutus Exitus Computarus

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