Egy régi téma (korhatáros tartalom és a WP korhatártalansága) folytatása az
alapítványi levlistáról, Brion Vibber (a huwp tiszteletbeli adminisztrátora
;) szerintem jól megmondja.
B.
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[mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Brion Vibber
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:30 PM
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not the Karma Sutra, was Re:
commons and freely licensed sexual imagery
El 5/14/09 7:31 PM, Thomas Dalton escribió:
2009/5/14 Robert Rohde<rarohde(a)gmail.com>om>:
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Thomas Dalton<thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>> 2009/5/14 Fred
Bauder<fredbaud(a)fairpoint.net>et>:
>>> I suggest that Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not include Wikipedia is
>>> not a manual of sexual practices. It could be phrased Wikipedia is
>>> not the Karma Sutra.
>> What about pictures of Muhammad? Descriptions of Chinese human
>> rights violations? Articles about evolution? etc. etc. etc.
>>
>> The reason that Wikipedia is not censored is because we cannot
>> censor one thing and maintain neutrality without censoring
>> everything else that might offend somebody and we would end up without
anything left.
Though
technically challenging, I've long believed that the best
answer is to develop some system similar to Categories that could be
used to flag content that is potentially objectionable on various
grounds and then provide the tools to create filtered streams that
remove that content.
That would good. We can't choose what should and should not be seen by
our readers without violating neutrality but there is nothing stopping
them choosing for themselves.
IMHO any restriction that's not present in the default view isn't likely to
accomplish much. The answer an objecting parent wants to "my daughter saw a
lady with semen on her neck on your website" is *not* "you should have told
her to log in and check 'no sexual imagery' in her profile"!
Slippery-slope arguments aside, it seems unfortunate that as creators of
"educational resources" we don't actually have anything that's being
created
with a children's audience in mind -- Wikipedia is primarily being created
*by adults for adults*.
That's fine for us grown-ups but we're missing an important part of the
educational "market". Like it or not, part of creating educational material
for children is cultural sensitivity: you need to make something that won't
freak out their parents.
The challenge here isn't technical, but political/cultural; choosing how to
mark things and what to mark for a default view is quite simply _difficult_
as there's such a huge variance in what people may find objectionable.
Sites like Flickr and Google image search keep this to a single toggle; the
default view is a "safe" search which excludes items which have been marked
as "adult" in nature, while making it easy to opt out of the restricted
search and get at everything if you want it.
Generally sexual imagery is the prime target since it's the biggest
hot-button "save the children" issue for most people -- many parents
wouldn't be happy to have their kid read "list of sexual positions" but
would rather they read the text than see the pictures, even if they're
drawings.
Ultimately it may be most effective to implement something like this
(basically an expansion of the "bad image list" implemented long ago for
requiring a click-through on certain images which were being frequently
misused in vandalism) in combination with a push to create distinct
resources which really *are* targeted at kids -- an area in which multiple
versions targeted to different cultural groups are more likely to be
accepted than the "one true neutral article" model of Wikipedia.
-- brion
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