On Mon Feb 09 2015 at 10:59:12 Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinzler(a)wikimedia.de
wrote:
@Gerard, @Magnus: please help me out here.
I agree that automatic descriptions are very useful. I also think that in
*some*
cases, manual descriptions are more useful, and maybe even needed.
Yes.
I definitely think that 3rd party consumers of wikidata should not have to
> think
> about whether descriptions have been written manually or were created
> automatically. This should be completely transparent.
My autodesc API serves both at the moment, so the consumer can decide which
one they want to use. Automatic descriptions can "miss the point"
sometimes, but are generally more up-to-date.
> So, if you want to help with making
automated description a reality,
> please make
> suggestions that take into account the above points, and also consider the
> mechanisms for language fallback.
From my point of view, this is the
"evolution" of automatic descriptions
(ADs):
1. web-based tools as proof-of-concept. This is done.
2. web-based API to standardise automatic descriptions, and make them
easily accessible for everyone. I am trying to do that now,
3. WMF/Wikibase-team picks up the API code, or writes their own;
integration into MediaWiki/extension, with proper language generation in
many languages, good caching/invalidation, API integration etc. Waiting for
that :-)
> The only thing that I can think of right
away is simply inserting automated
> descriptions by bot. This isn't ideal, but I can't think of a better
> solution
> that wouldn't be hugely complicated (and would thus not be implemented any
> time
> soon). Maybe you have ideas?
I think that would be a massive waste, and it would miss one of the points
of AD, which is improvement with more/better statements.
What I /can/ see is a cached AD in a new field, one which gets invalidated
on every item edit, and maybe on every related item edit (new/better labels
for description). The wb_terms table could support that easily, AFAICT. It
could be used for search results, and it could be shown as placeholder for,
or below, the manual description in the interface.
This would, however, require engineering beyond what I can offer as a
volunteer. It could also profit from the involvement of someone versed in
linguistics.
Cheers,
Magnus
> -- daniel
> Am 09.02.2015 um 11:41 schrieb Magnus Manske:
> > Manual descriptions are, in the vast majority of cases, a waste of
> volunteer
> > time. Alternative:
> >
http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=265
>
> > On Sun Feb 08 2015 at 17:37:42 Gerard
Meijssen <
> gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
> > <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > How does that help ? The point is exactly that there is no point to
> > descriptions. Why iterate on a dog it will still be a mutt.
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
>
> > On 8 February 2015 at 14:07, Amir
E. Aharoni <
> amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il
> > <mailto:amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>> wrote:
>
> > I'd rather see it not as
something terribly disappointing, but
> as an
> > opportunity to find a way to fill item descriptions more
> efficiently.
>
> > Basically, to find some cycles
to resolve
> >
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64695
>
> > בתאריך 8 בפבר 2015 10:33,
"Gerard Meijssen" <
> gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
> > <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> כתב:
>
> > Hoi,
> > I understand that item descriptions are going to be used in
> a mobile
> > app. In my opinion that is seriously disappointing because
> it is not
> > realistic to expect enough coverage in any language.
> Particularly in
> > the small languages it will not be really useful.
>
> > My question is: we have
had automated descriptions for a
> long time.
> > What is it that they makes that they are not used.?
>
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
>
> >
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