2015-02-11 22:14 GMT+02:00 Ricordisamoa <ricordisamoa(a)openmailbox.org>rg>: Is this a suggestion for possible syntax or something that actually works somewhere? But yeah, something like this - something that includes the title of a page that doesn't exist in this wiki, but may some to exist some day, and the Q number. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

Hi Amir, Amir E. Aharoni schreef op 11-2-2015 om 13:12: Exactly, the template based approach doesn't scale at all. You have to somehow make it automatic. One thing I thought about is adding suggested sitelinks to Wikidata. The software would encounter a red link and would look in Wikidata if it can find an item with a suggested sitelink of the same title. Huge software overhaul so I don't see that happening. Another approach that is probably already possible right now: * Take an article with a red link * Look at the links in the article in other languages. * If you find a link that points to another article which has the same label as the red link in the same language, link to it I wonder how many good results that would give. Maarten

Amir, The most important thing to consider when you look at the burden to the community is the "Bonnie & Clyde" problem where it gets to be the choice of a few editors (maybe just one?) on any given Wikipedia. I noticed that the English Wikipedia only has one article for both Q11629 the art of painting and Q3305213 the physical object, whereas both probably need about 5 articles each (container article and subarticles; so eg. 1) Q3305213 painting, 1.1)oil painting 1.2) miniature 1.3) watercolor, etc). The enwiki article is currently linked to the Wikidata item for the art of painting and the English Wikipedia has no article for the physical object. This strange situation is probably caused by the fact that both meanings are covered by the same word in English, which is of course not the case in other languages. When I created an article in the English Wikipedia for "painting (object)", it just got redirected to the other one, and I was accused of "disruptive editing". Now this redirect is become one of the many "hanging redirects" in Wikidata that should be deleted. In the pre-Wikidata world, people tended to stuff articles full of every lemma that was not encyclopedia worthy in and of itself. In the English Wikipedia there is even a merge template for that. Today, in the post-Wikidata world we are concentrating on getting the most info possible into a mobile-sized screen, so we favor condensed chunks of twitter-style info, rather than pages of text. I see this in my watchlist from the number of changes to lead paragraphs. Everyone seems to just concentrate on the lead these days, because that is what Google is serving to searchers. In conclusion, though I share your dream, after considering this problem from many angles I think the best interim solution is to "do nothing". A cultural revolution is taking place in Wikipedia, whereby people are slowly realizing that breadth (range of articles on any given subject) is more important than length (depth of any given article on its own subject). Let that revolution take place, one article at a time, at the pace granted by the policies of any given Wikipedia. Jane On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il&gt; wrote:

<implementationthoughts> The advantage of a template is that it doesn't touch core and doesn't create new wiki syntax. Maybe this template could be a Lua module built into the Wikibase Client extension, so it wouldn't have to be lamely synchronized across hundreds of projects? </implementationthoughts> -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ 2015-02-12 12:12 GMT+02:00 Lydia Pintscher &lt;lydia.pintscher(a)wikimedia.de&gt;de>:

The question is not so much where to point it, but how to put it into the wiki syntax of the page. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ 2015-02-12 13:05 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen &lt;gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com&gt;om>:

Hoi, WIth Reasonator there is no Wikisyntax. It is evoked. Thanks, GerardM On 12 February 2015 at 12:43, Amir E. Aharoni &lt;amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il&gt; wrote:

Lydia, Good question! To answer your question, I have no idea. There have been no deletion discussions, but use of the template is limited at best. Here are few more ways I used it: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eerebegraafplaats_Bloemendaal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Times:_Photography_in_the_20th_Century Jane On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Lydia Pintscher < lydia.pintscher(a)wikimedia.de&gt; wrote:

example disruptive Yes - this would be more or less perfect, but it would require changes in core MediaWiki. If nothing else works, then it's possible, but seems harder to get through in practice. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ 2015-02-12 12:20 GMT+02:00 Smolenski Nikola &lt;smolensk(a)eunet.rs&gt;rs>: