How does one verify a fact? Does it really only take 2 minutes to 'thoroughly' verify the validity? And why limit oneself to librarians?

What I fail to see, is how this adds facts to wikidata. Best case it adds metadata about the validity of the claims. I do agree that that would be nice to have, of course.

Polyglot

2015-06-23 8:14 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:

Hoi, That is only librarians in the USA.. Why not think big? There is a world out there !! Thanks, GerardM

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If 1 librarian in the USA added one fact or verified / qualified it per work day in their spare 2 mins a day.

119,729 Libraries in USA x 1 Librarian minimum per Library with internet access...mostly :-) x 251 work days in a year = 30,051,979 MILLION facts that could be added or verified

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2015-06-23 8:49 GMT+02:00 Lucian Velea lucian.velea@lexica.ro:

Great idea. Does anyone know a statistics of number of libraries / librarians by country?

I compiled some numbers here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge#Libraries

And started a list of lists that needs to be completed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_libraries_by_country

All the best, Lucian

On 23.06.2015 9:14, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, That is only librarians in the USA.. Why not think big? There is a world out there !! Thanks, GerardM

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If 1 librarian in the USA added one fact or verified / qualified it per work day in their spare 2 mins a day.

119,729 Libraries in USA x 1 Librarian minimum per Library with internet access...mostly :-) x 251 work days in a year = 30,051,979 MILLION facts that could be added or verified

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Hi there,

Imagine my delight that you are creating a list of all the libraries in the world! However this does present a bit of an issue – are all libraries notable? The American Library Association estimates that there are around 120,000 libraries but doesn’t have an exact number because there is not a survey that covers all of them. Since librarians are discouraged from creating articles about their own institutions, this could be problematic? If this is an initiative that has broad approval I’m happy to help in any way that I can!

http://www.ala.org/tools/libfactsheets/alalibraryfactsheet01

Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program Officer OCLC Research

From: libraries-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:libraries-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:41 AM To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project.; Wikimedia & Libraries Subject: Re: [libraries] [Wikidata] How can Wikidata get over 30, 000, 000 facts added a year ?

2015-06-23 9:00 GMT+02:00 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada <emijrp@gmail.commailto:emijrp@gmail.com>: 2015-06-23 8:49 GMT+02:00 Lucian Velea <lucian.velea@lexica.romailto:lucian.velea@lexica.ro>: Great idea. Does anyone know a statistics of number of libraries / librarians by country?

I compiled some numbers here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge#Libraries And started a list of lists that needs to be completed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_libraries_by_country

Is anyone interested in contacting national libraries/culture ministries so they can provide info about all the libraries for each country? I have been working in Lists of museums/archives/libraries by country long time, but I only find partial lists and the work is slow. How can we make these institutions get involved?

All the best, Lucian

On 23.06.2015 9:14, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, That is only librarians in the USA.. Why not think big? There is a world out there !! Thanks, GerardM

On 23 June 2015 at 05:51, Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.commailto:thadguidry@gmail.com> wrote: If 1 librarian in the USA added one fact or verified / qualified it per work day in their spare 2 mins a day.

119,729 Libraries in USA x 1 Librarian minimum per Library with internet access...mostly :-) x 251 work days in a year = 30,051,979 MILLION facts that could be added or verified

Get the word out, Thad +ThadGuidryhttps://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry

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Thanks Emilio, Andrea and Wikidatans,

I'm curious how Wikidata / wiki 3D interactive virtual earth libraries (building on Markus's beautiful maps, for example) will create digital libraries in all 7,929 languages re my post from yesterday, but concerning digital readable books "in the stacks" ...

"in what ways could such Commons' photos/images with millions of coordinates, related video resources, and other related Wikipedia items be incorporated into a 3D film-realistic interactive wiki-informed virtual world - think Google Earth with OpenSim, Second Life, Illustris + - and in a way that's wiki-buildable, and could be used even for STEM-research (e.g. mapping in specific photos and videos from the various archaeological digs at Troy), and decade-by-decade to begin, even, for a kind of historical reference time frame virtual-world mapping?" ...

and especially first in the PUBLIC libraries in all countries.

Will every book in every language eventually get a Wikidata Q-item reference with coordinates and be includable in such a wiki virtual earth?

Best, Info (Scott)

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com wrote:

Hello everyone.

For Italian libraries, you can find a good csv here: http://opendata.anagrafe.iccu.sbn.it/territorio.zip

Cristian Consonni also had a project of importing all of them on OpenStreetMap:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RCantoroBot/Anagrafe_delle_bibliote... (I think the project is frozen though).

In Italy we are working a lot with libraries and librarians, but I think it needs a cultural (so, looong) approach: we are doing workshops, editathons, lectues on Wikipedia, Wikisource, Wikidata too.

They are very interested in Wikidata, but it scares them a little (RDF, linked open data, knowledge base are scary words for most people).

I very much like the "gaming" approach of Magnus's tools, as it can be a bridge in teaching librarians how to cope with wikidata with things they understand better. For example, here's the Mix 'n' match tool for reconciling authors from the National Authority Control and Wikidata:

http://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/?mode=random&catalog=58&submode...

We are collaborating directly with the National Library of Florence, too.

Finally, in Google Summer of Code 2014 Amanpreet Singh worked on a project for annotating books and get the annotate "statement" directly on Wikidata:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikidata_annotation_tool/project_completion_r... The idea is that you could read the web, than find a "fact", and then highlight it and get a statement that gets feeded on Wikidata.

Unfortunately, I think that project has been abandoned too (but it seems that the code works).

IMHO, that would be very useful for librarians and not: as you read you can populate Wikidata.

Aubrey

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Proffitt,Merrilee proffitm@oclc.org wrote:

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Hi there,

Imagine my delight that you are creating a list of all the libraries in the world! However this does present a bit of an issue – are all libraries notable? The American Library Association estimates that there are around 120,000 libraries but doesn’t have an exact number because there is not a survey that covers all of them. Since librarians are discouraged from creating articles about their own institutions, this could be problematic? If this is an initiative that has broad approval I’m happy to help in any way that I can!

http://www.ala.org/tools/libfactsheets/alalibraryfactsheet01

Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program Officer OCLC Research

*From:* libraries-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: libraries-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:41 AM *To:* Discussion list for the Wikidata project.; Wikimedia & Libraries *Subject:* Re: [libraries] [Wikidata] How can Wikidata get over 30, 000, 000 facts added a year ?

2015-06-23 9:00 GMT+02:00 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emijrp@gmail.com:

2015-06-23 8:49 GMT+02:00 Lucian Velea lucian.velea@lexica.ro:

Great idea. Does anyone know a statistics of number of libraries / librarians by country?

I compiled some numbers here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge#Libraries

And started a list of lists that needs to be completed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_libraries_by_country

Is anyone interested in contacting national libraries/culture ministries so they can provide info about all the libraries for each country?

I have been working in Lists of museums/archives/libraries by country long time, but I only find partial lists and the work is slow. How can we make these institutions get involved?

All the best,

Lucian

On 23.06.2015 9:14, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi,

That is only librarians in the USA.. Why not think big? There is a world out there !!

Thanks,

  GerardM

On 23 June 2015 at 05:51, Thad Guidry thadguidry@gmail.com wrote:

If 1 librarian in the USA added one fact or verified / qualified it per work day in their spare 2 mins a day.

119,729 Libraries in USA

x

1 Librarian minimum per Library with internet access...mostly :-)

x

251 work days in a year

=

30,051,979 MILLION facts that could be added or verified

Get the word out,

Thad

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2015-06-30 19:30 GMT+02:00 Proffitt,Merrilee proffitm@oclc.org:

Hi there,

Imagine my delight that you are creating a list of all the libraries in the world! However this does present a bit of an issue – are all libraries notable? The American Library Association estimates that there are around 120,000 libraries but doesn’t have an exact number because there is not a survey that covers all of them.

Yes, you pointed two important issues. What I propose is creating lists (not stubs for all libraries, by now). So in lists you have more freedom to add stuff that may or not be a notable article. It is the same with monuments lists in Wiki Loves Monuments.

Since librarians are discouraged from creating articles about their own institutions, this could be problematic? If this is an initiative that has broad approval I’m happy to help in any way that I can!

I'm not really sure if librarians are discouraged to create stubs about their institutions. We can ask the community anyway. Being most libraries non-profit and educational resources, I think that it is a special case.

But again, first we need some help to complete the lists. I doubt there is any problem with having librarians of a country expanding a list of libraries in their country.

http://www.ala.org/tools/libfactsheets/alalibraryfactsheet01

Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program Officer OCLC Research

*From:* libraries-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: libraries-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:41 AM *To:* Discussion list for the Wikidata project.; Wikimedia & Libraries *Subject:* Re: [libraries] [Wikidata] How can Wikidata get over 30, 000, 000 facts added a year ?

2015-06-23 9:00 GMT+02:00 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emijrp@gmail.com:

2015-06-23 8:49 GMT+02:00 Lucian Velea lucian.velea@lexica.ro:

Great idea. Does anyone know a statistics of number of libraries / librarians by country?

I compiled some numbers here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge#Libraries

And started a list of lists that needs to be completed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_libraries_by_country

Is anyone interested in contacting national libraries/culture ministries so they can provide info about all the libraries for each country?

I have been working in Lists of museums/archives/libraries by country long time, but I only find partial lists and the work is slow. How can we make these institutions get involved?

All the best,

Lucian

On 23.06.2015 9:14, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi,

That is only librarians in the USA.. Why not think big? There is a world out there !!

Thanks,

  GerardM

On 23 June 2015 at 05:51, Thad Guidry thadguidry@gmail.com wrote:

If 1 librarian in the USA added one fact or verified / qualified it per work day in their spare 2 mins a day.

119,729 Libraries in USA

x

1 Librarian minimum per Library with internet access...mostly :-)

x

251 work days in a year

=

30,051,979 MILLION facts that could be added or verified

Get the word out,

Thad

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2015-07-04 19:10 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com:

Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada, 04/07/2015 14:20:

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Being most libraries non-profit and educational resources, I think that it is a special case.

Not for the paperwork. Let's avoid throwing unwitting librarians into crime. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use#paid-contrib-disclosure

You are being a bit picky. And... crime!?

I said "we can ask the community" and my proposal is about _lists_ (list of items) not articles where "promotional" stuff can be hypothetically written. Also, what you linked is about paid editing _without disclosure_. We are talking about this in an open way, and any librarian can disclose it in his userpage if needed.

Also, here[1] it says:

"There are exceptions to the general advice that editors with a financial COI refrain from editing affected articles. Benign examples of editors being paid include Wikipedians collaborating with mission-aligned organizations such as galleries, libraries, archives and museums https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM."

Said that, I'm not interested in a wikilaw thread. Bye.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Paid_editing

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Hi Emilio, Merrilee, Markus and Wikidatans,

Great. I'm curious what further approaches you might be taking to aggregating online libraries - first by languages.

Emilio, concerning your reply to Merrilee:

"Yes, you pointed two important issues. What I propose is creating lists (not stubs for all libraries, by now). So in lists you have more freedom to add stuff that may or not be a notable article. It is the same with monuments lists in Wiki Loves Monuments."

CC World University's approach is to wiki-aggregate great online libraries in each of CC Wikipedia/Wikidata's 288 languages (and eventually in all 7,929+ languages, if there are online libraries in each of all languages) and eventually hire interns to do this somewhat systematically. "Library Resources" are one of the main ~10 foci/areas for inter-lingual WUaS (see: http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2015/07/impatiens-species-structuring-worl...) beginning with this "Library Resources" wiki-school - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Library_Resources - which is also a kind of template for each language's libraries, and which is extensible.

And concerning your other reply to Merrilee:

"I'm not really sure if librarians are discouraged to create stubs about their institutions. We can ask the community anyway. Being most libraries non-profit and educational resources, I think that it is a special case."

Each library would become a reference and a link to their databases, informed first by the extensible 288 languages in Wikipedia/Wikidata.

Lastly, concerning:

"But again, first we need some help to complete the lists. I doubt there is any problem with having librarians of a country expanding a list of libraries in their country."

WUaS would like to explore contributing the above ~ 10 main foci/areas to Wikidata, especially the Languages-Libraries as Schools open data structure (see the blog post about this), and also needs some help with developing this contribution to Wikidata.

Cheers,

Scott

On Jul 4, 2015 5:20 AM, "Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada" emijrp@gmail.com wrote:

2015-06-30 19:30 GMT+02:00 Proffitt,Merrilee proffitm@oclc.org:

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Hi there,

Imagine my delight that you are creating a list of all the libraries in the world! However this does present a bit of an issue – are all libraries notable? The American Library Association estimates that there are around 120,000 libraries but doesn’t have an exact number because there is not a survey that covers all of them.

Yes, you pointed two important issues. What I propose is creating lists (not stubs for all libraries, by now). So in lists you have more freedom to add stuff that may or not be a notable article. It is the same with monuments lists in Wiki Loves Monuments.

...

Since librarians are discouraged from creating articles about their own institutions, this could be problematic? If this is an initiative that has broad approval I’m happy to help in any way that I can!

I'm not really sure if librarians are discouraged to create stubs about their institutions. We can ask the community anyway. Being most libraries non-profit and educational resources, I think that it is a special case.

But again, first we need some help to complete the lists. I doubt there is any problem with having librarians of a country expanding a list of libraries in their country.

...

http://www.ala.org/tools/libfactsheets/alalibraryfactsheet01

Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program Officer OCLC Research

*From:* libraries-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: libraries-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:41 AM *To:* Discussion list for the Wikidata project.; Wikimedia & Libraries *Subject:* Re: [libraries] [Wikidata] How can Wikidata get over 30, 000, 000 facts added a year ?

2015-06-23 9:00 GMT+02:00 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emijrp@gmail.com:

2015-06-23 8:49 GMT+02:00 Lucian Velea lucian.velea@lexica.ro:

Great idea. Does anyone know a statistics of number of libraries / librarians by country?

I compiled some numbers here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge#Libraries

And started a list of lists that needs to be completed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_libraries_by_country

Is anyone interested in contacting national libraries/culture ministries so they can provide info about all the libraries for each country?

I have been working in Lists of museums/archives/libraries by country long time, but I only find partial lists and the work is slow. How can we make these institutions get involved?

All the best,

Lucian

On 23.06.2015 9:14, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi,

That is only librarians in the USA.. Why not think big? There is a world out there !!

Thanks,

  GerardM

On 23 June 2015 at 05:51, Thad Guidry thadguidry@gmail.com wrote:

If 1 librarian in the USA added one fact or verified / qualified it per work day in their spare 2 mins a day.

119,729 Libraries in USA

x

1 Librarian minimum per Library with internet access...mostly :-)

x

251 work days in a year

=

30,051,979 MILLION facts that could be added or verified

Get the word out,

Thad

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