Where are we with fallback languages? I did a session for new editors with Magnus last weekend and one of the questions that came up was why one of the students couldn't see most of the labels - he had his language set to British English. He asked why there was no fallback to international English. Joe On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Jeroen De Dauw <jeroendedauw(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Yes I think that makes sense. Does anyone know details about that? As in: how to turn it off?

Lydia Pintscher, 04/05/2014 09:03: Very easy. <https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki_talk%3ACommon.js&diff=125270762&oldid=94132161> Nemo _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 1:28 AM, Joe Filceolaire &lt;filceolaire(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: questions that came up was why one of the students couldn't see most of the labels - he had his language set to British English. He asked why there was no fallback to international English. The status is that we have a plan for the next steps. I realize it is important but currently not doable in the next say 3 months. There is simply too much to do (queries, statements on properties, UI redesign, quantities with units, entity suggester, starting with Commons). If anyone is able and willing to take this on please send me an email. As for disabling en-gb for now: Daniel, Katie: What do you say? Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Am 04.05.2014 09:00, schrieb Lydia Pintscher: wrote: questions that came up was why one of the students couldn't see most of the labels - he had his language set to British English. He asked why there was no fallback to international English. I would like to add some information about why language fallback is not as easily done as it may seem. Fallback for *display* is simple enough (as reasonator proves) - but we allow editing, which makes this much harder. Consider the case of a user with their language set to "en-gb", but seeing a label in "en" due to fallback. What should happen if they click "edit"? Which label will they be editing, the "en" one or the "en-gb" one? They should really be able to do both, and the consequences of their edit should be obvious to them. When automatic transliteration comes into play, as is the case with some chinese variants, things become more complex still. This is not impossible to solve (e.g. by showing edit boxes for all the relevant variants, with some additional information), but needs careful design. This cannot be done overnight. -- daniel -- Daniel Kinzler Senior Software Developer Wikimedia Deutschland Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Hey everyone, It's quite annoying every time I want to use a item, but it has no Dutch label. So it doesn't show up if you want to use it with like adding statements. Fallback is a big thing. Greetings, Sjoerd Op 4 mei 2014 om 22:50 heeft Gerard Meijssen &lt;gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com&gt; het volgende geschreven: Hoi, When you see a label in Reasonator, you will find that when it is not in *YOUR* language, it is underlined in red. You can hover over a label and you will be prompted to add a label in the named language. ONLY your language. Wikidata being Wikidata can provide the option as it already does to see multiple labels for the languages as selected in the #Babel template. That is the obvious place to see and edit labels in multiple languages. When you think that language fallback in Reasonator is "easy", it is very much because the options have been considered properly. It does provide fall back in a user specified manner. It does show all the labels used for an item but it does NOT provide an option to edit them. It could, but this is left for Wikidata itself just like adding statements has been left to Wikidata. There are three parts to an item in Wikidata. Labels, statements and links. It is best imho not to complicate things and leave this partition in place. Thanks, GerardM On 4 May 2014 22:17, Daniel Kinzler &lt;daniel.kinzler(a)wikimedia.de&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Am 05.05.2014 01:35, schrieb Joe Filceolaire: That's probably a good approach, but would need the "other languages" box to become more flexible, and include aliases. It's also strange to have it visually separate from the thing you actually want to change. Not easy to get this right.

Am 05.05.2014 01:35, schrieb Joe Filceolaire: 'label' edit it should 'edit then that That's probably a good approach, but would need the "other languages" box to become more flexible, and include aliases. It's also strange to have it visually separate from the thing you actually want to change. Not easy to get this right. -- daniel -- Daniel Kinzler Senior Software Developer Wikimedia Deutschland Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Hi all, What I don't understand is the need to keep all labels blank until they are updated by hand. Especially for biographical articles, it would be nice to have original spellings of the person's name, even if it's Chinese or something else really far away from English. That might serve as a prompt to people to update the label more than blank, no? Take a look at this person: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11287651

There are so many variants in spelling of the name, but I consider them all correct, depending on the source. In the case of historical people, can't a bot go through and update the labels so that queries will return something? Anything is better than blank, I think.

Hoi, When the "other languages" box needs to become more flexible, it is a different problem that has nothing to do with the ability to understand what statements are made. At this time it is an absolute inability when there is no label in *YOUR* language.

Hoi, I am talking about statements.. I am not asking for selecting items that have no label in a language.. This would only work if auto descriptions are in use. Thanks, GerardM On 5 May 2014 12:52, Daniel Kinzler &lt;daniel.kinzler(a)wikimedia.de&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

"Scott MacLeod" &lt;worlduniversityandschool(a)gmail.com&gt; writes: edition" use, Just FYI, the ISO 639 and Ethnologue are grossly incomplete in their coverage of world languages. One must assume some 10 times to 100 times more natural languages are currently in use than listed. Some single additions have been made through the BCP47 and IANA, such as "en-GB-scouse" representing the Scouse dialect of British English, or "sl-rozaj-lipaw" — the Lipovaz dialect of Resian which is itself a variant of Slovenian spoken in Italy. In other fields, due differentiation is still lacking. For example, in the swiss Alps, almost ever village in ever vallley has its on language variety which are often mutually hardly comprehesible, but they all together have only one language code, "gsw", wich also covers a large part of Germanies South West and South Eastern France and their local language varieties. You can easily look up from a map that there are hundreds of cities, towns, villages, valleys, and even if only a thenth of them had a language of their own, "gsw" actually represts more than 1000 distinct languages. Considerig both spelling AND pronunciation, the deserve to be differenciated. This is not meant do discourage you, or to say it was not manageable. You only need to be aware, that taking care of the few languages currently listed in ethnologue will not suffice, and coding them must be expected to be a bit more complex, than it appears at first sight. http://www.ethnologue.com/language/eng[http://www.ethnologue.com/language/e… While the current 7106 is way too low, it does include some "Macrolanguages" (i.e. language groups) and many extinct and some invented languages. Yes indeed, only blindly following a body like SIL (editor of ISO 639-3 and Etnologue, btw. a fundamental christian missionary organization) with their rather slow process of adding languages (taking years) might be limiting our capacities and speed. I suggest that we evaluate our own needs first, then determine how to meet them best, and then cooperate with others. Purodha _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Gerard Meijssen &lt;gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I am sorry if my contribution was biased. My main goal was to warn that there are more than 7000-odd languages, extending ISO 639-3 is time consuming, and that we have the BCP47 defining language variants in addition to ISO 639. Thrue. I was not meaning to say that. Sure, it depends. Also, I do not want to put blame on anyone. Naturally, whatever you collect, you start somewhere, it will take time, and at some point you have an incomplete, but growing list. That is how I see Ethnologue. I keep mailing them data knowing that they are going to need their time to verify and process it. Taking into account what we likely have to use as a definition for "language" is, whether or not labels, lexemes, or similar, are spelled pronunced, signalled, or syntactically/grammatically put together differently enough to warrant that we call them distinct from another "language". I am well aware that this is a foggy thing and there are many instances that can cause controversies. I was considering to mention it in my post. I did not, mainly for bevity. Yet also, I doubt, it's in a useful state already. Last fall or late summer, it had almost twice as many entries as ISO 639-3, language coverage in my main field was as incomplete as ISO 639, it was not publicized in a well usable way (Website down since long. Before that, queryable in a complicated and inefficient manner for individual entries and small sets only. No listings available online. No details beyond language names. Good news: the web site is partly online again as of today.) Yes, I do consider ISO 639-6. I am happy about it's clearer and simpler approach to the subject matter, and I am looking forward to using it, as its coverage grows. Purodha _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

"Gerard Meijssen" &lt;gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com&gt; writes: [....] Here you go - I extracted all language codes and names from the list of incubator wikis at: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Wikis in alphabetical order: aa Afar aaf Eranadan ab Abkhaz abl Lampung Nyo abq Abaza abv Bahrani Arabic acf Saint Lucian Creole ach Acholi ada Adangme adh Dhopadhola ady Adyghe aeb Tunisian Arabic af Afrikaans agx Aghul ain Ainu ajp South Levantine Arabic ak Akan akz Alabama aln Gheg Albanian alr Alyutor alt Southern Altai ami Amis amr Amarakaeri an Aragonese ang Old English anp Angika apc North Levantine Arabic ar Arabic arc Syriac arn Mapudungun aro Araona arq Algerian Arabic ary Maroccan Arabic arz Egyptian Arabic as Assamese ast Asturian atv Northern Altai av Avar awa Awadhi ayl Libyan Arabic ayn Sanaani Arabic az Azerbaijani azb South Azerbaijani ba Bashkir bal Balochi ban Balinese bas Ɓasaá bbc Batak Toba bbj Ghomala bcc Southern Baluchi bcl Bikol be Belarusian bew Betawi bfq Badaga bft Balti bg Bulgarian bgp Eastern Balochi bhb Bhili bh Bhojpuri bhw Biak bin Edo bm Bambara bn Bengali bo Tibetan bqi Bakhtiari brh Brahui brx Bodo bsk Burushaski bss Akoose btd Batak Dairi btm Batak Mandailing bto Rinconada bts Batak Simalungun btx Batak Karo btz Alas bug Buginese bum Bulu bxr Buryat ca Catalan cak Kaqchikel ccp Chakma ch Chamorro chi Chin chn Chinook Jargon cho Choctaw cim Cimbrian cjs Shor ckb Kurdish (Sorani) ckb Sorani Kurdish ckt Chukchi ckv Kavalan clw Chulym cmn Mandarin Chinese cnh Hakha Chin co Corsican co Corsu cop Coptic cps Capiznon cpx Pu-Xian Min cs Czech cts Pandan Bikol cv Chuvash cy Welsh da Danish dar Dargwa ddg Fataluku dgo Dogri diq Zazaki dlg Dolgan dlm Dalmatian dng Dungan dtp Dusun dum Middle Dutch dun Deyah dyu Dyula dz Dzongkha ee Ewe egl Emilian enf Enets enm Middle English eo Esperanto ese Eqpl Ese ese Ese Ejja ess Central Siberian Yupik esu Central Alaskan Yup'ik et Estonian eu Basque eve Even evn Evenki ewo Ewondo fa Persian fax Fala fi Finnish fil Filipino fit Meänkieli fkv Kven fo Faroese frc Cajun French fro Old French gaa Ga ga Irish gan Gan gay Gayo gbm Garhwali gcf Guadeloupean Creole gil Gilbertese gld Nanai gl Galician glk Gilaki goh Old High German gom Konkani gor Gorontalo grc Ancient Greek guc Wayuu gur Frafra gvr Gurung hac Hawrami hak Hakka haw Hawaiian haz Hazaragi hif Fiji Hindi hi Hindi hil Hiligaynon hnd Hindko hne Chhattisgarhi ho Hiri Motu hr Croatian hsn Xiang ht Haitian Creole hug Huachipaeri hu Hungarian hus Wastek hy Armenian hz Herero iar Purari iba Iban ibb Ibibio id Indonesian ig Igbo ii Sichuan Yi ili Ili Turki inh Ingush is Icelandic iso Isoko ist Istriot itl Itelmen izh Ingrian ja Japanese jam Jamaican jax Jambi Malay jct Krymchak jdt Judeo-Tat jut Jutlandic jv Javanese kab Kabyle kac Jingpho ka Georgian kbd Circassian kbp Kabiye kca Khanty kck Kalanga kdr Karaim kea Cape Verdean Creole ket Ket kev Kanikkaran kfr Kutchi kfy Kumaoni kge Komering kgp Kaingang kha Khasi khw Khowar kiu Kirmanjki kjh Khakas kj Kuanyama kk Kazakh klb Kiliwa kl Greenlandic kls Kalash kmr Kurmanji kmz Khorasani Turkic kn Kannada ko Korean kpy Koryak kri Krio krj Kinaray-a kr Kanuri krl Karelian ksf Bafia ksh Colognian ksw S'gaw Karen ku Kurdish kum Kumyk kvr Kerinci kxk Zayein Karen lad Judaeo-Spanish (Ladino) lad Ladino lag Rangi la Latin lb Luxembourgish lbx Lawangan lez Lezgian lhu Lahu lif Limbu lij Ligurian li Limburgish liv Livonian ljp Lampung Api lkt Lakota lld Ladin loz Lozi lrc Luri ltg Latgalian lt Lithuanian luo Luo lus Mizo lv Latvian lzz Laz mad Madurese mai Maithili mak Makassarese mam Mam max North Moluccan Malay maz Mazahua mdr Mandar meu Motu mfa Yawi mfb Bangka mfe Mauritian Creole mfy Mayo mg Malagasy mh Marshallese mhn Mòcheno mhr Eastern Mari mhy Ma'anyan miq Miskito ml Malayalam mnc Manchu mni Meitei mn Mongolian mnp Minbei mns Mansi mnw Mon moh Mohawk mqg Malay Kota Bangun Kutai mr Marathi mrv Mangareva mrw Maranao ms Malay mui Musi mul Multilingualism mus Muscogee mvf Inner Mongolian mwl Mirandese mwv Mentawai mww Hmong Daw mxt Mixtec myn Mayan myv Erzya mzn Mazandarani na Nauruan nap Neapolitan naq Nama nd Northern Ndebele nds Low German nds Low Saxon ne Nepali new Nepal Bhasa ng Ndonga nhn Nahuatl nia Nias nij Ngaju nio Nganasan niu Niuean niv Nivkh njo Ao nl Dutch nn Norsk (nynorsk) nn Norwegian Nynorsk nod Northern Thai nog Nogai non Old Norse no Norwegian (bokmål) nrn Norn nr Southern Ndebele nso Northern Sotho num Niuafo'ou oc Occitan oge Old Georgian ojb Northwestern Ojibwa ood O'odham or Oriya orv Old Russian os Ossetian osx Old Saxon ota Ottoman Turkish ote Otomi otk Old Turkic pad Paumari pap Papiamento pcc Bouyei pcm Nigerian Pidgin pdt Plautdietsch phr Pothowari pi Pali pis Solomon Islands Pijin pjt Pitjantjatjara pko Pökoot pkp Pukapukan pl Polish pms Piedmontese pmy Papuan Malay pnb Punjabi pnb Western Panjabi pnb Westren Panjabi pnt Pontic pny Pinyin ppl Pipil prg Prussian prs Dari (Afghanistan) pse Central Malay ps Pashto pua Tarascan pus Central Pashto qug Kichwa qu Quechua qvm Runa Shimi qvs Qivorina qxn Ancash Quechua qxq Qashqai raj Rajasthani rap Rapa Nui rar Cook Islands Maori rcf Reunion creole rej Rejang rgn Romagnol rif Tarifit rkh Rakahanga-Manihiki rki Rakhine rmf Kalo Finnish Romani rm Romansh ro Romanian rtm Rotuman rue Rusyn ruq Megleno-Romanian rut Rutul ryu Okinawan sa Sanskrit sat Santali saz Saurashtra scl Shina scn Sicilian sco Scots sc Sardinian sdc Sassarese sdh Southern Kurdish sei Seri sel Selkup se Northern Sami sgc Kipsigis sgh Shughni sgs Samogitian shi Shilha shi Tachelhit shn Shan si Sinhala sjd Kildin Sami language sjn Sindarin sjo Xibe sjt Ter Sami skh Sikule skr Seraiki sk Slovak sli Lower Silesian slr Salar sl Slovenian sma Southern Sami so Somali sou Southern Thai sq Albanian sr Serbian ssf Thao stq Saterlandic swg Swabian sw Swahili szl Silesian tab Tabasaran taj Tamang tar Tarahumara ta Tamil tcs Torres Strait Creole tcy Tulu teo Teso te Telugu tgl Classical Tagalog tin Tindi tji Northern Tujia tkl Tokelauan tkr Tsakhur tk Turkmen tl Tagalog tly Talysh tox Tobian tpn Old Tupi trp Kokborok tr Turkish tsd Tsakonian tsg Tausug tsu Tsou tts Isan tt Tatar ttt Tati tvl Tuvaluan tw Twi ty Tahitian tyv Tuvan tyv Tuvinian tzh Tzotzil tzm Tamazight udi Udi udm Udmurt ug Uyghur unm Unami-Lenape ur Urdu uum Urum uun Pazih vec Venetian vep Veps vi Vietnamese vkt Kutai Tenggarong vmf East Franconian German vot Votic vo Volapuk war Waray-Waray wbl Wakhi wls Fakauvea wra Wringinian wuu wu wuu Wuu Chinese wxa Waxianghua wym Wymysorys xh Xhosa xmf Mingrelian xsr Sherpa yai Yaghnobi yaq Yaqui yrk Nenets yrl Nheengatu yua Yucatec Maya yue Cantonese yue Cantonese (Yue) yux Southern Yukaghir zai Isthmus Zapotec zea Zealandic zom Zou zun Zuni zu Zulu zyj Youjiang Zhuang Greetings - Purodha _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

How is "eligible" defined in this context? Is there a general list of eligible languages somewhere? Or a list of ones not eligible? Purodha "Gerard Meijssen" &lt;gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com&gt; writes: Hoi, The list I am looking for include only the ones that are eligible. Many in this list are already supported as well (Indonesian for instance) and there are also languages in there that are not eligible. Thanks, GerardM On 7 May 2014 11:16, P. Blissenbach &lt;publi(a)web.de&gt; wrote:"Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com[gerard.meijssen@gmail.com]> writes: [....] Here you go - I extracted all language codes and names from the list of incubator wikis at: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Wikis[https://incubator.wiki… in alphabetical order: aa Afar aaf Eranadan ab Abkhaz abl Lampung Nyo abq Abaza abv Bahrani Arabic acf Saint Lucian Creole ach Acholi ada Adangme adh Dhopadhola ady Adyghe aeb Tunisian Arabic af Afrikaans agx Aghul ain Ainu ajp South Levantine Arabic ak Akan akz Alabama aln Gheg Albanian alr Alyutor alt Southern Altai ami Amis amr Amarakaeri an Aragonese ang Old English anp Angika apc North Levantine Arabic ar Arabic arc Syriac arn Mapudungun aro Araona arq Algerian Arabic ary Maroccan Arabic arz Egyptian Arabic as Assamese ast Asturian atv Northern Altai av Avar awa Awadhi ayl Libyan Arabic ayn Sanaani Arabic az Azerbaijani azb South Azerbaijani ba Bashkir bal Balochi ban Balinese bas Ɓasaá bbc Batak Toba bbj Ghomala bcc Southern Baluchi bcl Bikol be Belarusian bew Betawi bfq Badaga bft Balti bg Bulgarian bgp Eastern Balochi bhb Bhili bh Bhojpuri bhw Biak bin Edo bm Bambara bn Bengali bo Tibetan bqi Bakhtiari brh Brahui brx Bodo bsk Burushaski bss Akoose btd Batak Dairi btm Batak Mandailing bto Rinconada bts Batak Simalungun btx Batak Karo btz Alas bug Buginese bum Bulu bxr Buryat ca Catalan cak Kaqchikel ccp Chakma ch Chamorro chi Chin chn Chinook Jargon cho Choctaw cim Cimbrian cjs Shor ckb Kurdish (Sorani) ckb Sorani Kurdish ckt Chukchi ckv Kavalan clw Chulym cmn Mandarin Chinese cnh Hakha Chin co Corsican co Corsu cop Coptic cps Capiznon cpx Pu-Xian Min cs Czech cts Pandan Bikol cv Chuvash cy Welsh da Danish dar Dargwa ddg Fataluku dgo Dogri diq Zazaki dlg Dolgan dlm Dalmatian dng Dungan dtp Dusun dum Middle Dutch dun Deyah dyu Dyula dz Dzongkha ee Ewe egl Emilian enf Enets enm Middle English eo Esperanto ese Eqpl Ese ese Ese Ejja ess Central Siberian Yupik esu Central Alaskan Yup'ik et Estonian eu Basque eve Even evn Evenki ewo Ewondo fa Persian fax Fala fi Finnish fil Filipino fit Meänkieli fkv Kven fo Faroese frc Cajun French fro Old French gaa Ga ga Irish gan Gan gay Gayo gbm Garhwali gcf Guadeloupean Creole gil Gilbertese gld Nanai gl Galician glk Gilaki goh Old High German gom Konkani gor Gorontalo grc Ancient Greek guc Wayuu gur Frafra gvr Gurung hac Hawrami hak Hakka haw Hawaiian haz Hazaragi hif Fiji Hindi hi Hindi hil Hiligaynon hnd Hindko hne Chhattisgarhi ho Hiri Motu hr Croatian hsn Xiang ht Haitian Creole hug Huachipaeri hu Hungarian hus Wastek hy Armenian hz Herero iar Purari iba Iban ibb Ibibio id Indonesian ig Igbo ii Sichuan Yi ili Ili Turki inh Ingush is Icelandic iso Isoko ist Istriot itl Itelmen izh Ingrian ja Japanese jam Jamaican jax Jambi Malay jct Krymchak jdt Judeo-Tat jut Jutlandic jv Javanese kab Kabyle kac Jingpho ka Georgian kbd Circassian kbp Kabiye kca Khanty kck Kalanga kdr Karaim kea Cape Verdean Creole ket Ket kev Kanikkaran kfr Kutchi kfy Kumaoni kge Komering kgp Kaingang kha Khasi khw Khowar kiu Kirmanjki kjh Khakas kj Kuanyama kk Kazakh klb Kiliwa kl Greenlandic kls Kalash kmr Kurmanji kmz Khorasani Turkic kn Kannada ko Korean kpy Koryak kri Krio krj Kinaray-a kr Kanuri krl Karelian ksf Bafia ksh Colognian ksw S'gaw Karen ku Kurdish kum Kumyk kvr Kerinci kxk Zayein Karen lad Judaeo-Spanish (Ladino) lad Ladino lag Rangi la Latin lb Luxembourgish lbx Lawangan lez Lezgian lhu Lahu lif Limbu lij Ligurian li Limburgish liv Livonian ljp Lampung Api lkt Lakota lld Ladin loz Lozi lrc Luri ltg Latgalian lt Lithuanian luo Luo lus Mizo lv Latvian lzz Laz mad Madurese mai Maithili mak Makassarese mam Mam max North Moluccan Malay maz Mazahua mdr Mandar meu Motu mfa Yawi mfb Bangka mfe Mauritian Creole mfy Mayo mg Malagasy mh Marshallese mhn Mòcheno mhr Eastern Mari mhy Ma'anyan miq Miskito ml Malayalam mnc Manchu mni Meitei mn Mongolian mnp Minbei mns Mansi mnw Mon moh Mohawk mqg Malay Kota Bangun Kutai mr Marathi mrv Mangareva mrw Maranao ms Malay mui Musi mul Multilingualism mus Muscogee mvf Inner Mongolian mwl Mirandese mwv Mentawai mww Hmong Daw mxt Mixtec myn Mayan myv Erzya mzn Mazandarani na Nauruan nap Neapolitan naq Nama nd Northern Ndebele nds Low German nds Low Saxon ne Nepali new Nepal Bhasa ng Ndonga nhn Nahuatl nia Nias nij Ngaju nio Nganasan niu Niuean niv Nivkh njo Ao nl Dutch nn Norsk (nynorsk) nn Norwegian Nynorsk nod Northern Thai nog Nogai non Old Norse no Norwegian (bokmål) nrn Norn nr Southern Ndebele nso Northern Sotho num Niuafo'ou oc Occitan oge Old Georgian ojb Northwestern Ojibwa ood O'odham or Oriya orv Old Russian os Ossetian osx Old Saxon ota Ottoman Turkish ote Otomi otk Old Turkic pad Paumari pap Papiamento pcc Bouyei pcm Nigerian Pidgin pdt Plautdietsch phr Pothowari pi Pali pis Solomon Islands Pijin pjt Pitjantjatjara pko Pökoot pkp Pukapukan pl Polish pms Piedmontese pmy Papuan Malay pnb Punjabi pnb Western Panjabi pnb Westren Panjabi pnt Pontic pny Pinyin ppl Pipil prg Prussian prs Dari (Afghanistan) pse Central Malay ps Pashto pua Tarascan pus Central Pashto qug Kichwa qu Quechua qvm Runa Shimi qvs Qivorina qxn Ancash Quechua qxq Qashqai raj Rajasthani rap Rapa Nui rar Cook Islands Maori rcf Reunion creole rej Rejang rgn Romagnol rif Tarifit rkh Rakahanga-Manihiki rki Rakhine rmf Kalo Finnish Romani rm Romansh ro Romanian rtm Rotuman rue Rusyn ruq Megleno-Romanian rut Rutul ryu Okinawan sa Sanskrit sat Santali saz Saurashtra scl Shina scn Sicilian sco Scots sc Sardinian sdc Sassarese sdh Southern Kurdish sei Seri sel Selkup se Northern Sami sgc Kipsigis sgh Shughni sgs Samogitian shi Shilha shi Tachelhit shn Shan si Sinhala sjd Kildin Sami language sjn Sindarin sjo Xibe sjt Ter Sami skh Sikule skr Seraiki sk Slovak sli Lower Silesian slr Salar sl Slovenian sma Southern Sami so Somali sou Southern Thai sq Albanian sr Serbian ssf Thao stq Saterlandic swg Swabian sw Swahili szl Silesian tab Tabasaran taj Tamang tar 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Hoi, There are standards that define British English et al. It makes part of the ISO codes. We do not have to invent something like  "ISO 639-3eng".

Hoi, When you see a label in Reasonator, you will find that when it is not in *YOUR* language, it is underlined in red. You can hover over a label and you will be prompted to add a label in the named language.

ONLY your language.

Wikidata being Wikidata can provide the option as it already does to see multiple labels for the languages as selected in the #Babel template. That is the obvious place to see and edit labels in multiple languages.

When you think that language fallback in Reasonator is "easy", it is very much because the options have been considered properly. It does provide fall back in a user specified manner. It does show all the labels used for an item but it does NOT provide an option to edit them. It could, but this is left for Wikidata itself just like adding statements has been left to Wikidata.

There are three parts to an item in Wikidata. Labels, statements and links. It is best imho not to complicate things and leave this partition in place.

Daniel, what you suggest is overly complicated and the notion that "it" has to be perfect stands in the way of implementing a working solution. A solution that is the difference between statements that are useful and statements that are absolutely useless in most languages.