Hoi,

When you want to do the stuff you are talking about, you do it in Wikidata in the area where all the aliases, descriptions and stuff is. That is for that specific item. When you see fall backs in the statement area of an item, it is a SERVICE that you can add missing labels. When they are wrong, you can edit them. You do this on the item itself.

Daniel, what you suggest is overly complicated and the notion that "it" has to be perfect stands in the way of implementing a working solution. A solution that is the difference between statements that are useful and statements that are absolutely useless in most languages.

Thanks,

GerardM

On 5 May 2014 10:19, Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinzler@wikimedia.de> wrote:

Am 04.05.2014 22:50, schrieb Gerard Meijssen:

> Hoi,
> When you see a label in Reasonator, you will find that when it is not in *YOUR*
> language, it is underlined in red. You can hover over a label and you will be
> prompted to add a label in the named language.

Nice. Label and Description should go together though.

> ONLY your language.

So you see a typo, want to edit it, get en empty edit box (what? why?), enter
the correct spelling, save it, and see it for your variant - but you didn't fix
the actual mistake. You provided a new label in a different variant. Confusing.
We need a better solution.

The "wiki expectation" is that you can edit what you see. On top of that, we
want people to provide variant labels. These two things need to be combined nicely.

> Wikidata
> being Wikidata can provide the option as it already does to see multiple labels
> for the languages as selected in the #Babel template. That is the obvious place
> to see and edit labels in multiple languages.

Except that doesn't work for Aliases. And generally, people doe *not* set
variants in their babel boxes ("yea, I speak us english, british english,
canadian english and australian english"...).

Yes, this obviously needs to be integrated. How, exactly?

> When you think that language fallback in Reasonator is "easy", it is very much
> because the options have been considered properly. It does provide fall back in
> a user specified manner. It does show all the labels used for an item but it
> does NOT provide an option to edit them. It could, but this is left for Wikidata
> itself just like adding statements has been left to Wikidata.

Yea, leave the complicated part to us, but don't complain that it takes time :)

> There are three parts to an item in Wikidata. Labels, statements and links. It
> is best imho not to complicate things and leave this partition in place.

By "links" you mean sitelinks? How about referenced items? Fallback needs to
apply there too. And you forget aliases. Labels, descriptions and aliases kind
of go together. They are editable, and should be integrated with Babel stuff.
Labels of referenced sitelinks should have fallback applied, but are not
editable. Sitelinks are unrelated.

As I said: it needs careful design.

-- daniel

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Daniel Kinzler
Senior Software Developer

Wikimedia Deutschland
Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V.

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