I agree with Gerard that you only edit your language label in the 'label'
edit box. If the label box is showing the label in a fallback language then
it should be visually different - greyed out and italic for instance or
like the 'edit label in English' text. If a user wants to edit other
language labels then that is what the 'in other languages' boxes are for.
If a fall back language is shown anywhere else then do something similar
and add an 'edit in your language' link.
At least that is what I think.
Joe
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Sjoerd de Bruin <sjoerddebruin(a)me.com>wrote;wrote:
Hey everyone,
It's quite annoying every time I want to use a item, but it has no Dutch
label. So it doesn't show up if you want to use it with like adding
statements. Fallback is a big thing.
Greetings, Sjoerd
Op 4 mei 2014 om 22:50 heeft Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
het volgende geschreven:
Hoi,
When you see a label in Reasonator, you will find that when it is not in
*YOUR* language, it is underlined in red. You can hover over a label and
you will be prompted to add a label in the named language. ONLY your
language. Wikidata being Wikidata can provide the option as it already does
to see multiple labels for the languages as selected in the #Babel
template. That is the obvious place to see and edit labels in multiple
languages.
When you think that language fallback in Reasonator is "easy", it is very
much because the options have been considered properly. It does provide
fall back in a user specified manner. It does show all the labels used for
an item but it does NOT provide an option to edit them. It could, but this
is left for Wikidata itself just like adding statements has been left to
Wikidata.
There are three parts to an item in Wikidata. Labels, statements and
links. It is best imho not to complicate things and leave this partition in
place.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 4 May 2014 22:17, Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinzler(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:
Am 04.05.2014 09:00, schrieb Lydia Pintscher:
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 1:28 AM, Joe Filceolaire
<filceolaire(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Where are we with fallback languages?
>
> I did a session for new editors with Magnus last weekend and one of
the
questions that came up was why one of the students couldn't see most of
the labels - he had his language set to British English. He asked why there
was no fallback to international English.
The status is that we have a plan for the next steps. I realize it is
important but currently not doable in the next say 3 months.
I would like to add some information about why language fallback is not as
easily done as it may seem. Fallback for *display* is simple enough (as
reasonator proves) - but we allow editing, which makes this much harder.
Consider the case of a user with their language set to "en-gb", but
seeing a
label in "en" due to fallback. What should happen if they click
"edit"?
Which
label will they be editing, the "en" one or the "en-gb" one? They
should
really
be able to do both, and the consequences of their edit should be obvious
to
them. When automatic transliteration comes into play, as is the case with
some
chinese variants, things become more complex still.
This is not impossible to solve (e.g. by showing edit boxes for all the
relevant
variants, with some additional information), but needs careful design.
This
cannot be done overnight.
-- daniel
--
Daniel Kinzler
Senior Software Developer
Wikimedia Deutschland
Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V.
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