Hi all,
My recent tests produced lists of empty or almost empty items, meaning that they have no sitelinks, no statements, no label (almost empty), and sometimes no descriptions or aliases either (empty). Many of the empty ones seem to be redirects now, but not all (e.g. Q18482644).
Maybe somebody would like to check what is going on in each case. It seems like in most cases, a merge has emptied the item and a redirect should be placed now.
Markus
All data based on 31 Aug 2015 JSON dump.
Empty: [Q4009003, Q10326820, Q11075784, Q11076861, Q13117977, Q13118077, Q17504622, Q9370571, Q9710731, Q11083936, Q11087561, Q13118625, Q16749989, Q18630019, Q20515598, Q6909817, Q10780450, Q11074508, Q11079165, Q11089726, Q13115994, Q13116978, Q13327246, Q19819704, Q19967348, Q5936922, Q9314766, Q12243231, Q12454977, Q13118107, Q13118374, Q16943273, Q18482644]
Almost empty: [Q587248, Q1164798, Q3112633, Q4009003, Q4062117, Q4292083, Q4318132, Q5668795, Q6192003, Q6237634, Q6237652, Q6237655, Q6308010, Q6331429, Q6930680, Q6974238, Q7241365, Q7768807, Q7782293, Q7849393, Q8003207, Q8343296, Q8504111, Q8614159, Q8979826, Q8990731, Q9004011, Q9043398, Q9063876, Q9103025, Q9109206, Q9117920, Q9164306, Q9170348, Q9174405, Q9174424, Q9174555, Q9488312, Q9513173, Q9518437, Q9632533, Q9636117, Q9661338, Q9718033, Q9775961, Q9776559, Q9786262, Q9786601, Q9789144, Q9791363, Q9796753, Q9803673, Q9804276, Q9805622, Q9807208, Q9808694, Q9810197, Q9828378, Q9828528, Q9829439, Q9832003, Q9840979, Q9845828, Q9850795, Q9852621, Q9860579, Q9863446, Q9908743, Q9913015, Q9920520, Q9924412, Q9929068, Q9930757, Q9932368, Q9936017, Q9936060, Q9943410, Q9943530, Q9949358, Q9949788, Q9950572, Q9954180, Q9992311, Q10007569, Q10007635, Q10008745, Q10031183, Q10076666, Q10084373, Q10096437, Q10104020, Q10218343, Q10219749, Q10236783, Q10326820, Q10729998, Q11075784, 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Hi!
My recent tests produced lists of empty or almost empty items, meaning that they have no sitelinks, no statements, no label (almost empty), and sometimes no descriptions or aliases either (empty). Many of the empty ones seem to be redirects now, but not all (e.g. Q18482644).
Maybe somebody would like to check what is going on in each case. It seems like in most cases, a merge has emptied the item and a redirect should be placed now.
Some of them are redirects. Some of them are very strange items: with description of "Wikimedia category" and no labels or links. I suspect it is leftover from some bug. Check out here: http://tinyurl.com/ot47amh
I'll try to see if there are other patterns there.
As I recall, there was a period where merging didn't work. If these items were created during that window, people may have merged the links by hand and left the empty items hanging. Can you check if they have similar creation dates (I guess number range should give an indication)
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:29 AM, Stas Malyshev smalyshev@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi!
My recent tests produced lists of empty or almost empty items, meaning that they have no sitelinks, no statements, no label (almost empty), and sometimes no descriptions or aliases either (empty). Many of the empty ones seem to be redirects now, but not all (e.g. Q18482644).
Maybe somebody would like to check what is going on in each case. It seems like in most cases, a merge has emptied the item and a redirect should be placed now.
Some of them are redirects. Some of them are very strange items: with description of "Wikimedia category" and no labels or links. I suspect it is leftover from some bug. Check out here: http://tinyurl.com/ot47amh
I'll try to see if there are other patterns there.
Stas Malyshev smalyshev@wikimedia.org
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WiDaR (which is used by the Wikidata game, among others) creates (almost) empty items when it I'd used to merge two items with different descriptions in some language. In that case all other stuff is merged, but the item that should become a redirect is left behind with only the problematic description and nothing else. See Q19921058 for case where this issue created such an item after a recent merge attempt of mine.
WiDaR uses the Wikidata API to merge. Redirect (pun intended) all blame there.
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 10:00 AM Andre Engels andreengels@gmail.com wrote:
WiDaR (which is used by the Wikidata game, among others) creates (almost) empty items when it I'd used to merge two items with different descriptions in some language. In that case all other stuff is merged, but the item that should become a redirect is left behind with only the problematic description and nothing else. See Q19921058 for case where this issue created such an item after a recent merge attempt of mine. _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Using Q19921058 as an example as the item is not empty a redirect will not / can not be created.
On 8 September 2015 at 12:06, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
WiDaR uses the Wikidata API to merge. Redirect (pun intended) all blame there.
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 10:00 AM Andre Engels andreengels@gmail.com wrote:
WiDaR (which is used by the Wikidata game, among others) creates (almost) empty items when it I'd used to merge two items with different descriptions in some language. In that case all other stuff is merged, but the item that should become a redirect is left behind with only the problematic description and nothing else. See Q19921058 for case where this issue created such an item after a recent merge attempt of mine. _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
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Hoi, The point by Magnus is that he uses an API. When his software is to blame, blame the API. That is all. Thanks, GerardM
On 8 September 2015 at 13:24, Addshore addshorewiki@gmail.com wrote:
Using Q19921058 as an example as the item is not empty a redirect will not / can not be created.
On 8 September 2015 at 12:06, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
WiDaR uses the Wikidata API to merge. Redirect (pun intended) all blame there.
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 10:00 AM Andre Engels andreengels@gmail.com wrote:
WiDaR (which is used by the Wikidata game, among others) creates (almost) empty items when it I'd used to merge two items with different descriptions in some language. In that case all other stuff is merged, but the item that should become a redirect is left behind with only the problematic description and nothing else. See Q19921058 for case where this issue created such an item after a recent merge attempt of mine. _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
-- Addshore
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I know.
I was simply explaining what happens and why it happens in case the community feels like something needs to be addressed here, either a change in the tool or a change in the API..
Addshore
On 9 September 2015 at 08:33, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, The point by Magnus is that he uses an API. When his software is to blame, blame the API. That is all. Thanks, GerardM
On 8 September 2015 at 13:24, Addshore addshorewiki@gmail.com wrote:
Using Q19921058 as an example as the item is not empty a redirect will not / can not be created.
On 8 September 2015 at 12:06, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
WiDaR uses the Wikidata API to merge. Redirect (pun intended) all blame there.
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 10:00 AM Andre Engels andreengels@gmail.com wrote:
WiDaR (which is used by the Wikidata game, among others) creates (almost) empty items when it I'd used to merge two items with different descriptions in some language. In that case all other stuff is merged, but the item that should become a redirect is left behind with only the problematic description and nothing else. See Q19921058 for case where this issue created such an item after a recent merge attempt of mine. _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
-- Addshore
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