Hi Everyone,
My name is Bernardo and I work as a Business Intelligence Consultant in Toronto, Canada. I've been reading pretty much everything about WikiData over the past few days, and I'm really excited about this project! I would love to participate and collaborate in developing tools to bring data from external sources, particularly the vast open data sets that are so common right now.
I have some questions about the project and how can I participate, that you might be able to help me with:
1) I know the data import is planned for a future phase 2. Do you think it would be useful to start working on some of that now?
2) I also learned that you guys had a round tablehttp://wikidataroundtable.eventbrite.com/on June 21 about this topic (wish I could have known about Wikidata and been there!) but I couldn't find what the outcome of that discussion was. Is there anywhere where I can find what was discussed there?
3) Is there anyone else on the list working on the subject of how to bring data in? I have some ideas on the subject, but again, don't know if this is too early in the project.
Thanks,
Bernardo Najlis CRM & Business Intelligence Consultant
Hi,
Bernardo Najlis b52.net@gmail.com schrieb:
My name is Bernardo and I work as a Business Intelligence Consultant in Toronto, Canada. I've been reading pretty much everything about WikiData over the past few days, and I'm really excited about this project! I would love to participate and collaborate in developing tools to bring data from external sources, particularly the vast open data sets that are so common right now.
First of all the priority lies on data already present on Wikipedia. Wikidata should not be a data storage for everything structured in the world, so we should first start to transfer data already present on Wikipedia to Wikidata.
External data-sources will be interested as well and for sure but the purpose of wikidata is still cenralizing of what we already have.
I have some questions about the project and how can I participate, that you might be able to help me with:
- I know the data import is planned for a future phase 2. Do you think
it would be useful to start working on some of that now?
At the moment I think there is nothing ready of this phase for beeing tested. You could participate here on discussing models for implementation.
- I also learned that you guys had a round
tablehttp://wikidataroundtable.eventbrite.com/on June 21 about this topic (wish I could have known about Wikidata and been there!) but I couldn't find what the outcome of that discussion was. Is there anywhere where I can find what was discussed there?
- Is there anyone else on the list working on the subject of how to
bring data in? I have some ideas on the subject, but again, don't know if this is too early in the project.
You got it, it is too early talking about data-bots. Phase 1 had just been released. Actually there are many use-cases I could think of. But there are many others for sure as well ;-)
At the moment you could help fixing bugs, testing everything recently released (e.g. http://wikidata.org)
Marco
2012/11/15 Marco Fleckinger marco.fleckinger@wikipedia.at:
First of all the priority lies on data already present on Wikipedia. Wikidata should not be a data storage for everything structured in the world, so we should first start to transfer data already present on Wikipedia to Wikidata.
External data-sources will be interested as well and for sure but the purpose of wikidata is still cenralizing of what we already have.
For the time being (i.e. until mid-2013), I assume.
First of all the priority lies on data already present on Wikipedia. Wikidata should not be a data storage for everything structured in the world, so we should first start to transfer data already present on Wikipedia to Wikidata. External data-sources will be interested as well and for sure but the purpose of wikidata is still cenralizing of what we already have.
A side remark, because I believe this needs some further discussion. I agree that Wikidata should be focusing on the kind of data Wikipedia has or which are suitable for Wikipedia. However, since the Wikipedia data are not systematically sourced (they may be unsourced or the source is only available in edit comments, talk page etc.), it will be very valuable to import relevant, sourced data that have the right scope.
Gregor
Hey Bernardo
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Bernardo Najlis b52.net@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Everyone,
My name is Bernardo and I work as a Business Intelligence Consultant in Toronto, Canada. I've been reading pretty much everything about WikiData over the past few days, and I'm really excited about this project! I would love to participate and collaborate in developing tools to bring data from external sources, particularly the vast open data sets that are so common right now.
Have you already seen http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_collaborators ?
I have some questions about the project and how can I participate, that you might be able to help me with:
- I know the data import is planned for a future phase 2. Do you think it
would be useful to start working on some of that now?
It really depends on what you want to do right now. But the technical basis for actual data beyond language links isn't there yet so there isn't too much to do. People have already written bots to import language links that you might want to have a look at.
- I also learned that you guys had a round table on June 21 about this
topic (wish I could have known about Wikidata and been there!) but I couldn't find what the outcome of that discussion was. Is there anywhere where I can find what was discussed there?
Hmm I seem to remember there was an etherpad. Anyone who was there got a link?
- Is there anyone else on the list working on the subject of how to bring
data in? I have some ideas on the subject, but again, don't know if this is too early in the project.
A first step would be to define what data exactly you've got in mind and then get consensus in the community that this is something that is wanted. I think it's a bit too early still though for the latter. A real decision can probably only be made after the second phase has been in use for a bit by editors with real data.
Cheers Lydia
Hi,
i tried to install a Mediawiki with Wikidata-Extension from scratch and I'm stuck at the first step when installing the UniversalLanguageSelector Extension. I get a 404 for http://upload.wikimedia.org/ext-dist/UniversalLanguageSelector-master-793df6...
Can anyone help me? Is there a working step-by-step instruction for installing WikiData?
LG LB
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Lukas Benedix benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Hi,
i tried to install a Mediawiki with Wikidata-Extension from scratch and I'm stuck at the first step when installing the UniversalLanguageSelector Extension. I get a 404 for http://upload.wikimedia.org/ext-dist/UniversalLanguageSelector-master-793df6...
Can anyone help me? Is there a working step-by-step instruction for installing WikiData?
Hi Lukas,
Can you give me a link to where you found the link to the Universal Language Selector Extension?
Cheers Lydia
Hi,
I started here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase
and the link that leads to the 404 came from here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector
LB
Am 19.11.2012 16:52, schrieb Lydia Pintscher:
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Lukas Benedix benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Hi,
i tried to install a Mediawiki with Wikidata-Extension from scratch and I'm stuck at the first step when installing the UniversalLanguageSelector Extension. I get a 404 for http://upload.wikimedia.org/ext-dist/UniversalLanguageSelector-master-793df6...
Can anyone help me? Is there a working step-by-step instruction for installing WikiData?
Hi Lukas,
Can you give me a link to where you found the link to the Universal Language Selector Extension?
Cheers Lydia
On 19.11.2012 17:02, Lukas Benedix wrote:
Hi,
I started here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase
and the link that leads to the 404 came from here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector
Part of the problem may be that the extension distribution scripts have not yet been set up to work with git. For the old svg repository, we had an extension on mediawiki.org where you could select the extension and desired version, and would get a zip or tar archive. Many links still point that way, but it doesn't work for extensions in git (or at least not for all of them, I don't know the details).
Anyway. ULS is still experimental and under heavy development, so there are no stable versions. You'll have to install it directly from git, and hope the current master branch works for you.
@lydia: we should have an "install from gid" guide too... do we?
-- daniel
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinzler@wikimedia.de wrote:
Part of the problem may be that the extension distribution scripts have not yet been set up to work with git. For the old svg repository, we had an extension on mediawiki.org where you could select the extension and desired version, and would get a zip or tar archive. Many links still point that way, but it doesn't work for extensions in git (or at least not for all of them, I don't know the details).
Anyway. ULS is still experimental and under heavy development, so there are no stable versions. You'll have to install it directly from git, and hope the current master branch works for you.
@lydia: we should have an "install from gid" guide too... do we?
I don't think we do. We do have http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Setup that links to mediawiki.org among others. Lukas: Maybe you want to give the Vagrant setup linked there a try if you're still having trouble after Daniel's explanation?
Cheers Lydia
Am 19.11.2012 17:10, schrieb Lydia Pintscher:
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinzler@wikimedia.de wrote:
Part of the problem may be that the extension distribution scripts have not yet been set up to work with git. For the old svg repository, we had an extension on mediawiki.org where you could select the extension and desired version, and would get a zip or tar archive. Many links still point that way, but it doesn't work for extensions in git (or at least not for all of them, I don't know the details).
Anyway. ULS is still experimental and under heavy development, so there are no stable versions. You'll have to install it directly from git, and hope the current master branch works for you.
@lydia: we should have an "install from gid" guide too... do we?
I don't think we do. We do have http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Setup that links to mediawiki.org among others. Lukas: Maybe you want to give the Vagrant setup linked there a try if you're still having trouble after Daniel's explanation?
Cheers Lydia
the vagrant-setup is almost working...
I can open the client and the repo, but there is nothing in it... The instruction says: "Both repo and client contain the chemical elements as test data"
LB
2012/11/19 Lukas Benedix benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de
the vagrant-setup is almost working...
I can open the client and the repo, but there is nothing in it... The instruction says: "Both repo and client contain the chemical elements as test data"
I think this concerns to the central test database. Try http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de/wiki/Q344 which is really an element. I would be surprised if any newly installed software contained actual data.
2012/11/19 Lukas Benedix benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de
the vagrant-setup is almost working...
I can open the client and the repo, but there is nothing in it... The instruction says: "Both repo and client contain the chemical elements as test data"
I think this concerns to the central test database. Try http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de/wiki/Q344 which is really an element. I would be surprised if any newly installed software contained actual data.
I don't care about actual data. But the Wikidata-instance created by vagrant has no data at all and I have no idea how to create a new item.
On 11/20/2012 07:19 AM, Lukas Benedix wrote:
2012/11/19 Lukas Benedixbenedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de
[...] I have no idea how to create a new item.
Does [[Special:CreateItem]] work?
Marco
Hi Lukas,
the vagrant-setup is almost working...
I can open the client and the repo, but there is nothing in it... The instruction says: "Both repo and client contain the chemical elements as test data"
I think this concerns to the central test database. Try http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de/wiki/Q344 which is really an element. I would be surprised if any newly installed software contained actual data.
I don't care about actual data. But the Wikidata-instance created by vagrant has no data at all and I have no idea how to create a new item.
Sorry for this - puppet sometimes runs into a timeout problem. I hope to fix this today!
Best, Silke
Am 20.11.2012 11:01, schrieb Silke Meyer:
the vagrant-setup is almost working...
I can open the client and the repo, but there is nothing in it... The instruction says: "Both repo and client contain the chemical elements as test data"
I think this concerns to the central test database. Try http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de/wiki/Q344 which is really an element. I would be surprised if any newly installed software contained actual data.
I don't care about actual data. But the Wikidata-instance created by vagrant has no data at all and I have no idea how to create a new item.
Sorry for this - puppet sometimes runs into a timeout problem. I hope to fix this today!
The Tipp from Marco worked for me.
Maybe you can change add a link to http://127.0.0.1:8080/repo/wiki/Special:CreateItem to the description on github, that would reduce the confusion when someone follows the instructions and it seems not to work.
btw: when creating a new item you could warn if someone wants to create an item with an already used label and maybe list the existing descriptions... that would reduce the number of duplicates
LB
Hi Lukas,
On 11/20/2012 01:49 PM, Lukas Benedix wrote:
Am 20.11.2012 11:01, schrieb Silke Meyer: The Tipp from Marco worked for me.
nice!
Maybe you can change add a link to http://127.0.0.1:8080/repo/wiki/Special:CreateItem to the description on github, that would reduce the confusion when someone follows the instructions and it seems not to work.
Try editing http://127.0.0.1:8080/repo/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar. There you can add [[Special:CreateItem]] to you Sidebar.
Marco
Hi! Just a short follow-up on Vagrant... * @Lukas, yes, I will add more links/an adapted Main Page with some instructions. * The import of test data into the client leads to problems. This shared vagrant directory is using a file system on which I can't modify permissions (e.g. for images). :( Hope to have a solution soon.
Best Silke
Am 20.11.2012 14:39, schrieb Marco Fleckinger:
Hi Lukas,
On 11/20/2012 01:49 PM, Lukas Benedix wrote:
Am 20.11.2012 11:01, schrieb Silke Meyer: The Tipp from Marco worked for me.
nice!
Maybe you can change add a link to http://127.0.0.1:8080/repo/wiki/Special:CreateItem to the description on github, that would reduce the confusion when someone follows the instructions and it seems not to work.
Try editing http://127.0.0.1:8080/repo/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar. There you can add [[Special:CreateItem]] to you Sidebar.
Marco
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Hi,
one more Question:
I want to add some JavaScript to the Repo-Interface, where do I have to insert that?
I found the 'PCR GUI Inserts'-Extension [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PCR_GUI_Inserts], but I dont think i realy need that, right?
LB
Am 20.11.2012 18:27, schrieb Silke Meyer:
Hi! Just a short follow-up on Vagrant...
- @Lukas, yes, I will add more links/an adapted Main Page with some
instructions.
- The import of test data into the client leads to problems. This shared
vagrant directory is using a file system on which I can't modify permissions (e.g. for images). :( Hope to have a solution soon.
Best Silke
Am 20.11.2012 14:39, schrieb Marco Fleckinger:
Hi Lukas,
On 11/20/2012 01:49 PM, Lukas Benedix wrote:
Am 20.11.2012 11:01, schrieb Silke Meyer: The Tipp from Marco worked for me.
nice!
Maybe you can change add a link to http://127.0.0.1:8080/repo/wiki/Special:CreateItem to the description on github, that would reduce the confusion when someone follows the instructions and it seems not to work.
Try editing http://127.0.0.1:8080/repo/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar. There you can add [[Special:CreateItem]] to you Sidebar.
Marco
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yes it does
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Marco Fleckinger < marco.fleckinger@wikipedia.at> wrote:
I want to add some JavaScript to the Repo-Interface, where do I have to
insert that?
does [[User:<username>/common.js]] work?
Marco
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Hi,
I tried to install it on a server after everything worked well in the vagrant-box.
So i followed the instructions on http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:Wikibase
It worked until the update.php after adding
require_once( "$IP/extensions/Wikibase/repo/Wikibase.php" );
to LocaleSettings.php
I get this errors: http://pastebin.com/2MEY914X
So I removed
$wgSharedDB and$wgSharedPrefix
from LocaleSettings and tried update.php again
New Errors: PHP Notice: Constant CONTENT_MODEL_WIKIBASE_ITEM already defined in /var/www/mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase/repo/Wikibase.php on line 64 PHP Fatal error: Class 'Wikibase\Settings' not found in /var/www/mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase/repo/Wikibase.hooks.php on line 54
Can anyone help with installing a Wikidata-Repo for testing?
LB
Am 19.11.2012 17:10, schrieb Lydia Pintscher:
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinzler@wikimedia.de wrote:
Part of the problem may be that the extension distribution scripts have not yet been set up to work with git. For the old svg repository, we had an extension on mediawiki.org where you could select the extension and desired version, and would get a zip or tar archive. Many links still point that way, but it doesn't work for extensions in git (or at least not for all of them, I don't know the details).
Anyway. ULS is still experimental and under heavy development, so there are no stable versions. You'll have to install it directly from git, and hope the current master branch works for you.
@lydia: we should have an "install from gid" guide too... do we?
I don't think we do. We do have http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Setup that links to mediawiki.org among others. Lukas: Maybe you want to give the Vagrant setup linked there a try if you're still having trouble after Daniel's explanation?
Cheers Lydia
The Problem was fixed with the help of User:Hoo man.
The instruction said, that you have to install WikibaseLib before installing Wikibase. Obviously the lib is part of the Wikibase-Extension and adding it to the LocaleSettings.php results in the problems I had.
I removed that line from the requirements. But you should have a look at the documentation.
LB
Am 18.01.2013 23:48, schrieb Lukas Benedix:
Hi,
I tried to install it on a server after everything worked well in the vagrant-box.
So i followed the instructions on http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:Wikibase
It worked until the update.php after adding require_once( "$IP/extensions/Wikibase/repo/Wikibase.php" ); to LocaleSettings.php
I get this errors: http://pastebin.com/2MEY914X
So I removed $wgSharedDB and$wgSharedPrefix from LocaleSettings and tried update.php again
New Errors: PHP Notice: Constant CONTENT_MODEL_WIKIBASE_ITEM already defined in /var/www/mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase/repo/Wikibase.php on line 64 PHP Fatal error: Class 'Wikibase\Settings' not found in /var/www/mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase/repo/Wikibase.hooks.php on line 54
Can anyone help with installing a Wikidata-Repo for testing?
LB
Am 19.11.2012 17:10, schrieb Lydia Pintscher:
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinzler@wikimedia.de wrote:
Part of the problem may be that the extension distribution scripts have not yet been set up to work with git. For the old svg repository, we had an extension on mediawiki.org where you could select the extension and desired version, and would get a zip or tar archive. Many links still point that way, but it doesn't work for extensions in git (or at least not for all of them, I don't know the details).
Anyway. ULS is still experimental and under heavy development, so there are no stable versions. You'll have to install it directly from git, and hope the current master branch works for you.
@lydia: we should have an "install from gid" guide too... do we?
I don't think we do. We do have http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Setup that links to mediawiki.org among others. Lukas: Maybe you want to give the Vagrant setup linked there a try if you're still having trouble after Daniel's explanation?
Cheers Lydia
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