Hi,
the handling of double Entries is strange. The warning, that you created an allready existing Item comes up very late.
What I did:
* Search for "Käsebrot" -> not found * Create a new Item o enter Label: "Käsebrot" o enter Description: "ein Brot mit einem Belag aus Käse" * Add "Also known as": "Käsestulle" * try to add a Link to de:Käsebrot o get the following Error-Message: "An error occurred while trying to perform save and because of this, your changes could not be completed." o click Details: Edit not allowed: Site link [[dewiki:Käsebrot]] already used by item [[Q1795455]].
That is quite frustrating... It took seven steps until I get informed about the Error I made.
I figured out, that you only check for double Entries when you enter a Label and a Description in the currently selected language in the second Step. That check is also a check for bitwise equality. One different character in the description and you get no warning. If the desctiption and Label equals to an existing item you get the following Error-Message: "Another item (3220891) already has label "Käsebrot" and description "ein Brot mit einem Belag aus Käse" associated with language code en".
I think you should:
* enable the search for Item-Labels * check the Label when creating a new Item * add Links to the existing Item in the error-messages
After my tests there are several Items with the Label "Käsebrot", I'm sorry for that.
LB
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Lukas Benedix benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Hi,
the handling of double Entries is strange. The warning, that you created an allready existing Item comes up very late.
What I did:
Search for "Käsebrot" -> not found Create a new Item
enter Label: "Käsebrot" enter Description: "ein Brot mit einem Belag aus Käse"
Add "Also known as": "Käsestulle" try to add a Link to de:Käsebrot
get the following Error-Message: "An error occurred while trying to perform save and because of this, your changes could not be completed." click Details: Edit not allowed: Site link [[dewiki:Käsebrot]] already used by item [[Q1795455]].
That is quite frustrating... It took seven steps until I get informed about the Error I made.
I figured out, that you only check for double Entries when you enter a Label and a Description in the currently selected language in the second Step. That check is also a check for bitwise equality. One different character in the description and you get no warning. If the desctiption and Label equals to an existing item you get the following Error-Message: "Another item (3220891) already has label "Käsebrot" and description "ein Brot mit einem Belag aus Käse" associated with language code en".
I think you should:
enable the search for Item-Labels check the Label when creating a new Item add Links to the existing Item in the error-messages
Yes. http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ItemByTitle is helpful until then.
After my tests there are several Items with the Label "Käsebrot", I'm sorry for that.
Please list them on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions
Cheers Lydia
-- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
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Am 17.01.2013 12:20, schrieb Lydia Pintscher:
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Lukas Benedix benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Hi,
the handling of double Entries is strange. The warning, that you created an allready existing Item comes up very late.
What I did:
Search for "Käsebrot" -> not found Create a new Item
enter Label: "Käsebrot" enter Description: "ein Brot mit einem Belag aus Käse"
Add "Also known as": "Käsestulle" try to add a Link to de:Käsebrot
get the following Error-Message: "An error occurred while trying to perform save and because of this, your changes could not be completed." click Details: Edit not allowed: Site link [[dewiki:Käsebrot]] already used by item [[Q1795455]].
That is quite frustrating... It took seven steps until I get informed about the Error I made.
I figured out, that you only check for double Entries when you enter a Label and a Description in the currently selected language in the second Step. That check is also a check for bitwise equality. One different character in the description and you get no warning. If the desctiption and Label equals to an existing item you get the following Error-Message: "Another item (3220891) already has label "Käsebrot" and description "ein Brot mit einem Belag aus Käse" associated with language code en".
I think you should:
enable the search for Item-Labels check the Label when creating a new Item add Links to the existing Item in the error-messages
Yes. http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ItemByTitle is helpful until then.
Are there plans to integrate a search in all languages into the 'normal' Wiki-Search?
The Special:ItemByTitle is not useful because of several reasons:
1. it is not obvious that by clicking "Item by title" you get a search 2. the search box is calles 'Page', the headline is 'Item by title' and it searches for something called 'Label' 3. you haveto enter a language before searching for a title 4. you only get one result or nothing (I expected a list of all Items with the given label in the given language)
After my tests there are several Items with the Label "Käsebrot", I'm sorry for that.
Please list them on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions
According to the not working search I can't find the IDs ;)
Am 17.01.2013 15:02, schrieb Lukas Benedix:
Am 17.01.2013 12:20, schrieb Lydia Pintscher:
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Lukas Benedix benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Hi,
the handling of double Entries is strange. The warning, that you created an allready existing Item comes up very late.
What I did:
Search for "Käsebrot" -> not found Create a new Item
enter Label: "Käsebrot" enter Description: "ein Brot mit einem Belag aus Käse"
Add "Also known as": "Käsestulle" try to add a Link to de:Käsebrot
get the following Error-Message: "An error occurred while trying to perform save and because of this, your changes could not be completed." click Details: Edit not allowed: Site link [[dewiki:Käsebrot]] already used by item [[Q1795455]].
That is quite frustrating... It took seven steps until I get informed about the Error I made.
I figured out, that you only check for double Entries when you enter a Label and a Description in the currently selected language in the second Step. That check is also a check for bitwise equality. One different character in the description and you get no warning. If the desctiption and Label equals to an existing item you get the following Error-Message: "Another item (3220891) already has label "Käsebrot" and description "ein Brot mit einem Belag aus Käse" associated with language code en".
I think you should:
enable the search for Item-Labels check the Label when creating a new Item add Links to the existing Item in the error-messages
Yes. http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ItemByTitle is helpful until then.
Are there plans to integrate a search in all languages into the 'normal' Wiki-Search?
The Special:ItemByTitle is not useful because of several reasons:
1. it is not obvious that by clicking "Item by title" you get asearch 2. the search box is calles 'Page', the headline is 'Item by title' and it searches for something called 'Label' 3. you haveto enter a language before searching for a title 4. you only get one result or nothing (I expected a list of all Items with the given label in the given language)
After my tests there are several Items with the Label "Käsebrot", I'm sorry for that.
Please list them on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions
According to the not working search I can't find the IDs ;)
Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Here is my recomendation for the ItemByTitle-Specialpage:
// Special pages 'special-itembytitle' => 'Search Items by Label/Title', 'wikibase-itembytitle-lookup-fieldset' => 'Search', 'wikibase-itembytitle-lookup-site' => 'Language/Code:', 'wikibase-itembytitle-lookup-page' => 'Label/Title:', 'wikibase-itembytitle-submit' => 'Search',
LB
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Lukas Benedix benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Here is my recomendation for the ItemByTitle-Specialpage:
// Special pages 'special-itembytitle' => 'Search Items by Label/Title', 'wikibase-itembytitle-lookup-fieldset' => 'Search', 'wikibase-itembytitle-lookup-site' => 'Language/Code:', 'wikibase-itembytitle-lookup-page' => 'Label/Title:', 'wikibase-itembytitle-submit' => 'Search',
Hmm I am not sure I understand. Let's talk about it when you're in the office the next time?
Cheers Lydia
-- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
I'm talking about this points from the previous email:
The Special:ItemByTitle is not useful because of several reasons:
1. it is not obvious that by clicking "Item by title" you get a
search
2. the search box is calles 'Page', the headline is 'Item by
title' and it searches for something called 'Label'
3. the box for Language is called site 4. you haveto enter a language before searching for a title 5. you only get one result or nothing (I expected a list of all
Items with the given label in the given language)
LB
Am 19.01.2013 15:20, schrieb Lydia Pintscher:
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Lukas Benedix benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Here is my recomendation for the ItemByTitle-Specialpage:
// Special pages 'special-itembytitle' => 'Search Items by Label/Title', 'wikibase-itembytitle-lookup-fieldset' => 'Search', 'wikibase-itembytitle-lookup-site' => 'Language/Code:', 'wikibase-itembytitle-lookup-page' => 'Label/Title:', 'wikibase-itembytitle-submit' => 'Search',Hmm I am not sure I understand. Let's talk about it when you're in the office the next time?
Cheers Lydia
On 19.01.2013 15:33, Lukas Benedix wrote:
The Special:ItemByTitle is not useful because of several reasons:
It is indeed not intended to be very useful to humans (use Special:ItemDisambiguation instead). Its purpose is to back a URL scheme that lets you address a Wikidata item using the title of the corresponding Wikipedia article. So, if you don't know the item ID of Helium on Wikidata, you can still link to it using http://wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ItemByTitle/enwiki/Helium
1. it is not obvious that by clicking "Item by title" you get a search
It is, indeed, not a search. It's an adressing scheme.
2. the search box is calles 'Page', the headline is 'Item by title' and itsearches for something called 'Label'
It does not search for labels. Labels are completely ignored by ItemByTitle. It serches for a link to a Wikipedia page. I agree that it is confusing to mix "Page" and "Title" here. Use Special:ItemDisambiguation if you want to search by label.
3. the box for Language is called site
It *is* the site. If you pick "German" it means "search for links to the German language Wikipedia". It does not mean "search labels in German" - that would be what Special:ItemDisambiguation does. Maybe the selection should not say "German", "English", etc, but rather "en.wikipedia.org", "de.wikipedia.org", etc.
4. you haveto enter a language before searching for a title
Yes. Because this special page is only for finding the item that corresponds to one specific wikipedia page (say, the page "Moon" on en.wikipedia.org). There either is one, or none.
5. you only get one result or nothing (I expected a list of all Items withthe given label in the given language)
Again, that's what Special:ItemDIsambiguation does.
-- daniel