Thank you Pine. Yes, please share our email.

Michal & Tsipi

2017-01-02 22:41 GMT+02:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com:

Hi Michal and Tsipi,

Thank you for sharing this news, sad as it is. Would you be OK with my sharing your email broadly, to remind people of the value of being observant for people who are experiencing personal difficulties and offering them assistance, including professional resources, in situations where that might be helpful?

Thanks,

Pine

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Michal Lester mlester@wikimedia.org.il wrote:

...

Dear friends,

We're sorry to inform you that user:DanVag chose to end her life last week. User:Danveg was an active editor in HEWK and contributed mostly in the subject of gender and transgender issues. She was also an active volunteer in TLV Wikiwomen group. She guided newbies at Wikiwomen meetups with a lot of patience and kindness.

As she was part of the transgender community, we urge you to consider editing articles about transgender issues in her memory. Please add the articles you edited to this page https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%A4%D7%92%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%9E%D7%A4%D7%92%D7%A9%D7%99_%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99_%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%9D/DanVeg_Memorial_Trans_Project .

Thank you,

Tsipi Erann, Wikiwomen group

Michal Lester, WMIL

*Regards,*

*Michal Lester,*

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On the English Wikipedia there are some trans redlinks on the Women in Red list, LBT section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/LBT_Women

I just bluelinked one of them with a new article on Angelica Ross (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelica_Ross). I'd add the link to the DanVeg page, but I can't read Hebrew and am afraid of screwing up...

- Pax aka Funcrunch

On 1/4/17 9:52 PM, Neotarf wrote:

I'm noticing that most, if not all of the articles on that page already have English translations. Is there a list of redlinks somewhere of articles that would be of importance to the transgender community that people could work on?

Here is one for the list: there is no article in Hebrew as yet for transgender rights activist Nisha Ayub, who received the International Women of Courage Award in 2016.

Many of the individuals who receive this type of award are in danger or have been imprisoned for their activities. Imagine the effect of having a Wikipedia page that pictures them standing next to a high-ranking government official. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Samar_Badawi&oldid=755359299#...

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 3:15 AM, Michal Lester <mlester@wikimedia.org.il mailto:mlester@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:

Dear friends,

We're sorry to inform you that user:DanVag chose to end her life
last week. User:Danveg was an active editor in HEWK and
contributed mostly in the subject of gender and transgender
issues. She was also an active volunteer in TLV Wikiwomen group.
She guided newbies at Wikiwomen meetups with a lot of patience and
kindness.

As she was part of the transgender community, we urge you to
consider editing articles about transgender issues in her memory.
Please add  the articles you edited to this page
<https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%A4%D7%92%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%9E%D7%A4%D7%92%D7%A9%D7%99_%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99_%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%9D/DanVeg_Memorial_Trans_Project>.


Thank you,
Tsipi Erann, Wikiwomen group

Michal Lester, WMIL

*
*

*Regards,*

*Michal Lester,
**Executive Director

Wikimedia Israel*

*http://www.wikimedia.org.il <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/> *
*972-50-8996046 ; 972-77-751-6032*

Thanks! I've been on a roll creating articles from the Women in Red list, but have found that some on the list are not actually women (cis or trans), but non-binary or trans men. That's a separate topic for discussion, but others are welcome to weigh on it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red#Skyler...

- Pax

On 1/9/17 11:26 AM, Neotarf wrote:

Done. The right-to-left scripts can be a challenge, especially if your keyboard is not set up for it. Sometimes it is easier to copy/paste. It helps when these wikis have sets of brackets and double brackets at the bottom of the page so you can highlight something and format it easily. Of course that only works if they have MediaWiki markup enabled as the default, as hewiki seems to, or if you can figure out how to disable the Visual Editor.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:18 PM, Pax Ahimsa Gethen <list-wikimedia@funcrunch.org mailto:list-wikimedia@funcrunch.org> wrote:

On the English Wikipedia there are some trans redlinks on the
Women in Red list, LBT section:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/LBT_Women
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/LBT_Women>

I just bluelinked one of them with a new article on Angelica Ross
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelica_Ross
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelica_Ross>). I'd add the link
to the DanVeg page, but I can't read Hebrew and am afraid of
screwing up...

- Pax aka Funcrunch


On 1/4/17 9:52 PM, Neotarf wrote:

...

I'm noticing that most, if not all of the articles on that page
already have English translations.  Is there a list of redlinks
somewhere of articles that would be of importance to the
transgender community that people could work on?

Here is one for the list: there is no article in Hebrew as yet
for transgender rights activist Nisha Ayub, who received the
International Women of Courage Award in 2016.

Many of the individuals who receive this type of award are in
danger or have been imprisoned for their activities. Imagine the
effect of having a Wikipedia page that pictures them standing
next to a high-ranking government official.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Samar_Badawi&oldid=755359299#January_2016_arrest
<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Samar_Badawi&oldid=755359299#January_2016_arrest>


On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 3:15 AM, Michal Lester
<mlester@wikimedia.org.il <mailto:mlester@wikimedia.org.il>> wrote:

    Dear friends,

    We're sorry to inform you that user:DanVag chose to end her
    life last week. User:Danveg was an active editor in HEWK and
    contributed mostly in the subject of gender and transgender
    issues. She was also an active volunteer in TLV Wikiwomen
    group. She guided newbies at Wikiwomen meetups with a lot of
    patience and kindness.

    As she was part of the transgender community, we urge you to
    consider editing articles about transgender issues in her
    memory. Please add  the articles you edited to this page
    <https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%A4%D7%92%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%9E%D7%A4%D7%92%D7%A9%D7%99_%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99_%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%9D/DanVeg_Memorial_Trans_Project>.


    Thank you,
    Tsipi Erann, Wikiwomen group

    Michal Lester, WMIL

    *
    *

    *Regards,*

    *Michal Lester,
    **Executive Director

    Wikimedia Israel*

    *http://www.wikimedia.org.il <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/> *
    *972-50-8996046 ; 972-77-751-6032*

Being transgender is not an "ideology" or a matter of "sexual confusion", and many people detransition because they cannot fit into the binary gender expectations of our society.

This is a cissexist post that contains language offensive to many trans people (including myself). I am surprised to see it approved on the Gendergap list (which I just joined recently).

- Pax

On 1/10/17 12:12 PM, Carol Moore dc wrote:

And if you think that's complicated, wait til all those transwomen and transmen start detransitioning back to their "natal sex." (Especially lesbians who decide that they've been pressured by sex stereotypes and society to reject their butch nature and want it back.)

A topic that probably will be covered more in the future than here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexual#Regrets_and_detransitions

One bio where this sort of thing might be relevant is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_Arquette where Alexis' well known sister and brother (as well as boyfriend) stated to RS that Arquette was beginning to reject the ideology and even to "detransition." So if someone decided to take on that, obviously it would be an interesting discussion of RS, rumor, accuracy of sources, etc.

Of course, detransitioning will be more in the younger generation of notable personalities. Older generations often had decades to think about it before they took concrete transitioning steps. (Though lots of RS keep waiting for Caitlyn Jenner to do it so they can make money covering that side of the story.)

Today a lot of sexually confused young people have been led into it by advocacy groups, school counselors, doctors - and even parents who would prefer their child be of the opposite sex (sometimes because they are terrified otherwise the child will be gay!)

Then as they go into their late teens and early 20s they are becoming more independent and able to judge how much others influenced them. Some already are considering lawsuits against schools and advocacy groups they feel pushed them into a decision they now regret.

So this is a whole new area with lots of personal accounts and mainstream RS sources, though I'm sure it may be a while before anyone safely could expand that section of the article, create a new article, or write much about detransitioning celebrities.

While I certainly wouldn't consider being trans to be fashionable or fun, the "born in the wrong body" language is not true of all trans people. The definition I prefer to use when I do trans education[1] is that a transgender person does not identify with the sex they were assigned at birth. I don't like to create a litmus test of who gets to use the transgender label beyond that. I simply want everyone to be free and safe to live as their authentic selves.

- Pax

[1] Such as my Transgender Gap presentation at WikiConference North America: https://wikiconference.org/wiki/Submissions:2016/The_Transgender_Gap:_Trans_...

On 1/13/17 10:11 AM, Isarra Yos wrote:

Sadly there's a lot of confusion about this, which seems to be caused by a trend of... I guess you might call it fake allies? Where people consider it to be fashionable to be non-cis, so they idolise being trans, instead. This seems to go as far as those involved believing it really is a decision, where if someone wants to be trans, they can be, and they can be totally comfortable in their body and still be trans. But that's not how it works. It's being born in flat out the wrong body, which is neither fashionable, nor as I understand it, remotely fun in any way.

And frankly this only makes things worse for those who truly do experience dysphoria, to the point where people don't believe them when they try to get help, or even come to believe the entire thing isn't real. Not good.

On 10/01/17 20:21, Pax Ahimsa Gethen wrote:

...

Being transgender is not an "ideology" or a matter of "sexual confusion", and many people detransition because they cannot fit into the binary gender expectations of our society.

This is a cissexist post that contains language offensive to many trans people (including myself). I am surprised to see it approved on the Gendergap list (which I just joined recently).

• Pax

On 1/10/17 12:12 PM, Carol Moore dc wrote:

...

And if you think that's complicated, wait til all those transwomen and transmen start detransitioning back to their "natal sex." (Especially lesbians who decide that they've been pressured by sex stereotypes and society to reject their butch nature and want it back.)

A topic that probably will be covered more in the future than here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexual#Regrets_and_detransitions

One bio where this sort of thing might be relevant is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_Arquette where Alexis' well known sister and brother (as well as boyfriend) stated to RS that Arquette was beginning to reject the ideology and even to "detransition." So if someone decided to take on that, obviously it would be an interesting discussion of RS, rumor, accuracy of sources, etc.

Of course, detransitioning will be more in the younger generation of notable personalities. Older generations often had decades to think about it before they took concrete transitioning steps. (Though lots of RS keep waiting for Caitlyn Jenner to do it so they can make money covering that side of the story.)

Today a lot of sexually confused young people have been led into it by advocacy groups, school counselors, doctors - and even parents who would prefer their child be of the opposite sex (sometimes because they are terrified otherwise the child will be gay!)

Then as they go into their late teens and early 20s they are becoming more independent and able to judge how much others influenced them. Some already are considering lawsuits against schools and advocacy groups they feel pushed them into a decision they now regret.

So this is a whole new area with lots of personal accounts and mainstream RS sources, though I'm sure it may be a while before anyone safely could expand that section of the article, create a new article, or write much about detransitioning celebrities.

1. How would that be complicated? If people ID as a woman (or NB, or other identities included in WiR) then they'll be included, and if they don't they won't. It's almost like the entire point of this site is that it's relatively easy to edit...

2. As for detransitioning being a major concern of yours: "Surgical regret is actually very uncommon. Virtually every modern study puts it below 4 percent, and most estimate it to be between 1 and 2 percent (Cohen-Kettenis & Pfafflin 2003, Kuiper & Cohen-Kettenis 1998, Pfafflin & Junge 1998, Smith 2005, Dhejne 2014). In some other recent longitudinal studies, none of the subjects expressed regret over medically transitioning (Krege et al. 2001, De Cuypere et al. 2006).

These findings make sense given the consistent findings that access to medical care improves quality of life along many axes, including sexual functioning, self-esteem, body image, socioeconomic adjustment, family life, relationships, psychological status and general life satisfaction. This is supported by the numerous studies (Murad 2010, De Cuypere 2006, Kuiper 1988, Gorton 2011, Clements-Nolle 2006) that also consistently show that access to GCS reduces suicidality by a factor of three to six (between 67 percent and 84 percent)." (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/myths-about-transition-regrets...)

3. Why are you responding to the project with this irrelevant, inaccurate, TERF bullshit? These myths contribute to attitudes and policies that keep trans people from healthcare and other means of bodily autonomy. Do you believe that politicians overstep and condescend when they say that pregnant people can't be trusted to make the decision to get an abortion? This is the exact same patronization.

-----Original Message----- From: Gendergap [mailto:gendergap-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Carol Moore dc Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 3:13 PM To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects. gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] In memory of User:Danveg

On 1/9/2017 2:32 PM, Pax Ahimsa Gethen wrote:

Thanks! I've been on a roll creating articles from the Women in Red list, but have found that some on the list are not actually women (cis or trans), but non-binary or trans men. That's a separate topic for discussion, but others are welcome to weigh on it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red# Skyler_Cooper.27s_gender_identity

• Pax

And if you think that's complicated, wait til all those transwomen and transmen start detransitioning back to their "natal sex." (Especially lesbians who decide that they've been pressured by sex stereotypes and society to reject their butch nature and want it back.)

A topic that probably will be covered more in the future than here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexual#Regrets_and_detransitions

One bio where this sort of thing might be relevant is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_Arquette where Alexis' well known sister and brother (as well as boyfriend) stated to RS that Arquette was beginning to reject the ideology and even to "detransition." So if someone decided to take on that, obviously it would be an interesting discussion of RS, rumor, accuracy of sources, etc.

Of course, detransitioning will be more in the younger generation of notable personalities. Older generations often had decades to think about it before they took concrete transitioning steps. (Though lots of RS keep waiting for Caitlyn Jenner to do it so they can make money covering that side of the story.)

Today a lot of sexually confused young people have been led into it by advocacy groups, school counselors, doctors - and even parents who would prefer their child be of the opposite sex (sometimes because they are terrified otherwise the child will be gay!)

Then as they go into their late teens and early 20s they are becoming more independent and able to judge how much others influenced them. Some already are considering lawsuits against schools and advocacy groups they feel pushed them into a decision they now regret.

So this is a whole new area with lots of personal accounts and mainstream RS sources, though I'm sure it may be a while before anyone safely could expand that section of the article, create a new article, or write much about detransitioning celebrities.

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Thank you all for editing articles and sharing DanVeg Memorial Trans Project. 💮

2017-01-09 21:26 GMT+02:00 Neotarf neotarf@gmail.com:

Done. The right-to-left scripts can be a challenge, especially if your keyboard is not set up for it. Sometimes it is easier to copy/paste. It helps when these wikis have sets of brackets and double brackets at the bottom of the page so you can highlight something and format it easily. Of course that only works if they have MediaWiki markup enabled as the default, as hewiki seems to, or if you can figure out how to disable the Visual Editor.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:18 PM, Pax Ahimsa Gethen < list-wikimedia@funcrunch.org> wrote:

...

On the English Wikipedia there are some trans redlinks on the Women in Red list, LBT section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/LBT_Women

I just bluelinked one of them with a new article on Angelica Ross ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelica_Ross). I'd add the link to the DanVeg page, but I can't read Hebrew and am afraid of screwing up...

• Pax aka Funcrunch

On 1/4/17 9:52 PM, Neotarf wrote:

I'm noticing that most, if not all of the articles on that page already have English translations. Is there a list of redlinks somewhere of articles that would be of importance to the transgender community that people could work on?

Here is one for the list: there is no article in Hebrew as yet for transgender rights activist Nisha Ayub, who received the International Women of Courage Award in 2016.

Many of the individuals who receive this type of award are in danger or have been imprisoned for their activities. Imagine the effect of having a Wikipedia page that pictures them standing next to a high-ranking government official. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/ind ex.php?title=Samar_Badawi&oldid=755359299#January_2016_arrest

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 3:15 AM, Michal Lester mlester@wikimedia.org.il wrote:

...

Dear friends,

We're sorry to inform you that user:DanVag chose to end her life last week. User:Danveg was an active editor in HEWK and contributed mostly in the subject of gender and transgender issues. She was also an active volunteer in TLV Wikiwomen group. She guided newbies at Wikiwomen meetups with a lot of patience and kindness.

As she was part of the transgender community, we urge you to consider editing articles about transgender issues in her memory. Please add the articles you edited to this page https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%A4%D7%92%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%9E%D7%A4%D7%92%D7%A9%D7%99_%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99_%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%9D/DanVeg_Memorial_Trans_Project .

Thank you,

Tsipi Erann, Wikiwomen group

Michal Lester, WMIL

*Regards,*

*Michal Lester, *

*Executive Director Wikimedia Israel* *http://www.wikimedia.org.il http://www.wikimedia.org.il/ * *972-50-8996046 ; 972-77-751-6032 *

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