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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:16:26 -0700 From: Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy? To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: <CAKiGLfqs_OSRe9aGBpLRgu1wNiN6_feicex=R6-Er=xvtDPegQ@mail.gmail.com
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...and one more thing - it's also the straight peoples guide to dating.
And the majority of queer mentions go into internet dating with specific focus on gay men (the word "lesbian" is used once, a mention of transexuals is there twice but the same fact in both places - and it's in conjunction with eunuchs in India, and bi/pan/whatnot isn't listed at all).
Homosexuality is also called an "alternative arrangement."
Heh!
-Sarah who has recently become fascinated by the "gay agenda" article only to find out there isn't a "feminist agenda" article....
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com
wrote:
....I also noticed the menu in the top right lists dating in the abuse section (and activities).
I understand that abuse can take place during dating (and any other relationship at that) but does it really merit being in the abuse
section?
Next to "child" "elderly" and "domestic?"
If you're dating someone and you're abusing them I consider it domestic (Intimate Partner Violence, etc.)....but, I haven't sat down and read references about 'dating abuse' or whatever (and I probably won't right now..). Heck, the word "abuse" isn't even used in the dating article.
If abuse is dating and I need to stop being sarcastic and wear more
bright
colors..I suppose I've been doing all of this wrong after all...(now
wonder
I'm single! ;-) )
Sarah
On 25 October 2011 16:24, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Wow.
Just...wow.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari@wikimedia.org
wrote:
If you really want some entertainment, you should try reading the "dating" article. It includes such mind-blowing revelations as:
Teenagers and tweens have been described as dating.
There are reports that guys are asking out girls for dates by text
messaging.
- When young people are in school, they have a lot of access to people
their own age, and don't need tools such as online websites or dating services.
And of course lots of great gender stereotypes like:
- During much of human history... women "connived to trade beauty and
sex for affluence and status".
- Educated women in many countries including Italy and Russia and the
United States often find it difficult to have a career as well as
raise a
family; many delay finding a mate and having children and wonder if
they're
too accomplished that they won't be as appealing to men.
It also includes lots of random advice like:
- dating at a movie is advisable only if followed by a drink
afterwards.
- men are attracted to 'curls', 'ribbons', 'bright colors', and women
should 'avoid sarcasm.'
- Women can use 'pseudo-infantile motions such as the head-cock' and
gaze intensely with widened eyes and laugh often, touch, and move in
ways to
emphasize their body's roundness, such as shrugging their shoulders or
sit
hugging their knees, to mimic buttock imagery.
I swear this stuff is in the article. I couldn't make this up!
And to illustrate the "Dating worldwide" section, they use the
painting
"The Rape Of The Sabines: The Abduction" which shows a guy with a
sword
carrying off a scantily clad damsel in distress. I guess our editors
have
some unique ideas on dating etiquette.
Ryan Kaldari
On 10/24/11 6:00 PM, Gillian White wrote:
Apart from any content problems, the article had no context. It was
not
linked to what should be regarded as its parents. And that lack of coherence, combined with its specific terminology made it largely incomprehensible to people unfamiliar with American educational
systems,
aside from its social practices. For example, it is by no means
universal
that students live in residential colleges while attending university.
I had
a go at giving it some context so readers can go from one article to
the
next (specifically, from "courtship" to "dating" to "college dating")
but I
agree that it would be better if it was renamed, as the issues that
are
distinctive to dating in college/university could then be developed.
Gillian
On 25 October 2011 06:11, Sue Gardner sgardner@wikimedia.org wrote:
Yeah, personally I think the subject is notable. There has been tons of academic research and popular history written about the history of dating, college dating, the invention of the 'teenager,' etc. Even just within the United States.
I think I did a radio series on this once -- IIRC, Beth Bailey was a really great source. She wrote this fascinating book:
http://www.amazon.com/Front-Porch-Back-Seat-Twentieth-Century/dp/0801839351
. Susan J. Douglas was good too, as well as Stephanie Coontz and
Barbara
Ehrenreich. They are all American, though. Lots has been written
about
the UK too, but I'm not sure about other cultures/countries.
Thanks, Sue
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On 24 October 2011 11:16, Daniel and Elizabeth Case dancase@frontiernet.net wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nathan > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:13 PM > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy? > > I question whether "college dating" deserves an article to begin with. > If it does, which the text of the article doesn't at all establish, > the current article has a pretty fatal case of systemic bias. > > > On the surface I tend to agree, but then I read the AfD: > >
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