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1. Re: Am I crazy? (Sarah Stierch)
2. Women and Wikimedia Survey (Sarah Stierch)
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Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:16:26 -0700
From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy?
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
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...and one more thing - it's also the straight peoples guide to dating.
And the majority of queer mentions go into internet dating with specific
focus on gay men (the word "lesbian" is used once, a mention of
transexuals
is there twice but the same fact in both places - and it's in conjunction
with eunuchs in India, and bi/pan/whatnot isn't listed at all).
Homosexuality is also called an "alternative arrangement."
Heh!
-Sarah
who has recently become fascinated by the "gay agenda" article only to find
out there isn't a "feminist agenda" article....
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com
wrote:
> ....I also noticed the menu in the top right lists dating in the abuse
> section (and activities).
> I understand that abuse can take
place during dating (and any other
> relationship at that) but does it really merit being in the abuse
section?
> Next to "child" "elderly" and "domestic?"
> If you're dating someone and
you're abusing them I consider it domestic
> (Intimate Partner Violence, etc.)....but, I haven't sat down and read
> references about 'dating abuse' or whatever (and I probably won't right
> now..). Heck, the word "abuse" isn't even used in the dating article.
> If abuse is dating and I need to stop
being sarcastic and wear more
bright
colors..I suppose I've been doing all of this
wrong after all...(now
wonder
> I'm single! ;-) )
> Sarah
> On 25 October
2011 16:24, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow.
>>>
>>> Just...wow.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org
wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you really want some entertainment, you should try reading the
>>>> "dating" article. It includes such mind-blowing revelations
as:
>>>>
>>>> * Teenagers and tweens have been described as dating.
>>>>
>>>> * There are reports that guys are asking out girls for dates by text
>>>> messaging.
>>>>
>>>> * When young people are in school, they have a lot of access to people
>>>> their own age, and don't need tools such as online websites or
dating
>>>> services.
>>>>
>>>> And of course lots of great gender stereotypes like:
>>>>
>>>> * During much of human history... women "connived to trade beauty
and
>>>> sex for affluence and status".
>>>>
>>>> * Educated women in many countries including Italy and Russia and the
>>>> United States often find it difficult to have a career as well as
raise a
>>> family; many delay finding a mate and
having children and wonder if
they're
>>> too accomplished that they won't
be as appealing to men.
>>>
>>> It also includes lots of random advice like:
>>>
>>> * dating at a movie is advisable only if followed by a drink
afterwards.
>>>
>>> * men are attracted to 'curls', 'ribbons', 'bright
colors', and women
>>> should 'avoid sarcasm.'
>>>
>>> * Women can use 'pseudo-infantile motions such as the head-cock' and
>>> gaze intensely with widened eyes and laugh often, touch, and move in
ways to
>>> emphasize their body's roundness,
such as shrugging their shoulders or
sit
>>> hugging their knees, to mimic buttock
imagery.
>>>
>>> I swear this stuff is in the article. I couldn't make this up!
>>>
>>> And to illustrate the "Dating worldwide" section, they use the
painting
>>> "The Rape Of The Sabines: The
Abduction" which shows a guy with a
sword
>>> carrying off a scantily clad damsel
in distress. I guess our editors
have
>>> some unique ideas on dating
etiquette.
>>>
>>> Ryan Kaldari
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/24/11 6:00 PM, Gillian White wrote:
>>>
>>> Apart from any content problems, the article had no context. It was
not
>>> linked to what should be regarded as
its parents. And that lack of
>>> coherence, combined with its specific terminology made it largely
>>> incomprehensible to people unfamiliar with American educational
systems,
>>> aside from its social practices. For
example, it is by no means
universal
>>> that students live in residential
colleges while attending university.
I had
>>> a go at giving it some context so
readers can go from one article to
the
>>> next (specifically, from
"courtship" to "dating" to "college dating")
but I
>>> agree that it would be better if it
was renamed, as the issues that
are
>>> distinctive to dating in
college/university could then be developed.
>>>
>>> Gillian
>>>
>>> On 25 October 2011 06:11, Sue Gardner <sgardner(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, personally I think the subject is notable. There has been tons
>>>> of academic research and popular history written about the history of
>>>> dating, college dating, the invention of the 'teenager,' etc.
Even
>>>> just within the United States.
>>>>
>>>> I think I did a radio series on this once -- IIRC, Beth Bailey was a
>>>> really great source. She wrote this fascinating book:
>>>>
>>>>
http://www.amazon.com/Front-Porch-Back-Seat-Twentieth-Century/dp/0801839351
>>>> .
>>>> Susan J. Douglas was good too, as well as Stephanie Coontz and
Barbara
>>>> Ehrenreich. They are all
American, though. Lots has been written
about
>>>>> the UK too, but I'm not sure about other cultures/countries.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Sue
>>>>>
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>>>>> On 24 October 2011 11:16, Daniel and Elizabeth Case
>>>>> <dancase(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> > From: Nathan
>>>>> > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:13 PM
>>>>> > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy?
>>>>>
>>>>>
> I question whether "college dating" deserves an article to begin
>>>>> with.
>>>>> > If it does, which the text of the article doesn't at all
establish,
>>>>> > the current article has a pretty fatal case of systemic bias.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
> On the surface I tend to agree, but then I read the AfD:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/College_dating
>>>>>
>>>>>
> Daniel Case
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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