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1. Re: Am I crazy? (Sarah Stierch)
2. Women and Wikimedia Survey (Sarah Stierch)
3. Re: Women and Wikimedia Survey (Aude)

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Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:16:26 -0700
From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy?
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
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...and one more thing - it's also the straight peoples guide to dating.

And the majority of queer mentions go into internet dating with specific
focus on gay men (the word "lesbian" is used once, a mention of transexuals
is there twice but the same fact in both places - and it's in conjunction
with eunuchs in India, and bi/pan/whatnot isn't listed at all).

Homosexuality is also called an "alternative arrangement."

Heh!

-Sarah
who has recently become fascinated by the "gay agenda" article only to find
out there isn't a "feminist agenda" article....

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com>wrote:

> ....I also noticed the menu in the top right lists dating in the abuse
> section (and activities).
>
> I understand that abuse can take place during dating (and any other
> relationship at that) but does it really merit being in the abuse section?
> Next to "child" "elderly" and "domestic?"
>
> If you're dating someone and you're abusing them I consider it domestic
> (Intimate Partner Violence, etc.)....but, I haven't sat down and read
> references about 'dating abuse' or whatever (and I probably won't right
> now..). Heck, the word "abuse" isn't even used in the dating article.
>
> If abuse is dating and I need to stop being sarcastic and wear more bright
> colors..I suppose I've been doing all of this wrong after all...(now wonder
> I'm single! ;-) )
>
> Sarah
>
>
>
>
>
> On 25 October 2011 16:24, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow.
>>>
>>> Just...wow.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari@wikimedia.org>wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you really want some entertainment, you should try reading the
>>>> "dating" article. It includes such mind-blowing revelations as:
>>>>
>>>> * Teenagers and tweens have been described as dating.
>>>>
>>>> * There are reports that guys are asking out girls for dates by text
>>>> messaging.
>>>>
>>>> * When young people are in school, they have a lot of access to people
>>>> their own age, and don't need tools such as online websites or dating
>>>> services.
>>>>
>>>> And of course lots of great gender stereotypes like:
>>>>
>>>> * During much of human history... women "connived to trade beauty and
>>>> sex for affluence and status".
>>>>
>>>> * Educated women in many countries including Italy and Russia and the
>>>> United States often find it difficult to have a career as well as raise a
>>>> family; many delay finding a mate and having children and wonder if they're
>>>> too accomplished that they won't be as appealing to men.
>>>>
>>>> It also includes lots of random advice like:
>>>>
>>>> * dating at a movie is advisable only if followed by a drink afterwards.
>>>>
>>>> * men are attracted to 'curls', 'ribbons', 'bright colors', and women
>>>> should 'avoid sarcasm.'
>>>>
>>>> * Women can use 'pseudo-infantile motions such as the head-cock' and
>>>> gaze intensely with widened eyes and laugh often, touch, and move in ways to
>>>> emphasize their body's roundness, such as shrugging their shoulders or sit
>>>> hugging their knees, to mimic buttock imagery.
>>>>
>>>> I swear this stuff is in the article. I couldn't make this up!
>>>>
>>>> And to illustrate the "Dating worldwide" section, they use the painting
>>>> "The Rape Of The Sabines: The Abduction" which shows a guy with a sword
>>>> carrying off a scantily clad damsel in distress. I guess our editors have
>>>> some unique ideas on dating etiquette.
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Kaldari
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/24/11 6:00 PM, Gillian White wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Apart from any content problems, the article had no context. It was not
>>>> linked to what should be regarded as its parents. And that lack of
>>>> coherence, combined with its specific terminology made it largely
>>>> incomprehensible to people unfamiliar with American educational systems,
>>>> aside from its social practices. For example, it is by no means universal
>>>> that students live in residential colleges while attending university. I had
>>>> a go at giving it some context so readers can go from one article to the
>>>> next (specifically, from "courtship" to "dating" to "college dating") but I
>>>> agree that it would be better if it was renamed, as the issues that are
>>>> distinctive to dating in college/university could then be developed.
>>>>
>>>> Gillian
>>>>
>>>> On 25 October 2011 06:11, Sue Gardner <sgardner@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, personally I think the subject is notable. There has been tons
>>>>> of academic research and popular history written about the history of
>>>>> dating, college dating, the invention of the 'teenager,' etc. Even
>>>>> just within the United States.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I did a radio series on this once -- IIRC, Beth Bailey was a
>>>>> really great source. She wrote this fascinating book:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Front-Porch-Back-Seat-Twentieth-Century/dp/0801839351
>>>>> .
>>>>> Susan J. Douglas was good too, as well as Stephanie Coontz and Barbara
>>>>> Ehrenreich. They are all American, though. Lots has been written about
>>>>> the UK too, but I'm not sure about other cultures/countries.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Sue
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 October 2011 11:16, Daniel and Elizabeth Case
>>>>> <dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>> > From: Nathan
>>>>> > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:13 PM
>>>>> > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I question whether "college dating" deserves an article to begin
>>>>> with.
>>>>> > If it does, which the text of the article doesn't at all establish,
>>>>> > the current article has a pretty fatal case of systemic bias.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On the surface I tend to agree, but then I read the AfD:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/College_dating
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Daniel Case
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:11:27 -0700
From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com>
Subject: [Gendergap] Women and Wikimedia Survey
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Hi everyone,

I have released the data from my survey, Women and Wikimedia, here:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Women_and_Wikimedia_Survey_2011

Please share and thanks to all who participated. I do hope people find value in this..I know I have....

Sarah

Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)

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Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:10:42 -0400
From: Aude <aude.wiki@gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I have released the data from my survey, Women and Wikimedia, here:
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Women_and_Wikimedia_Survey_2011
>

Sarah,

Thank you so much for conducting the survey! It's very informative and great
to see both some numbers along with the qualitative information.

Cheers,
Katie

>
> Please share and thanks to all who participated. I do hope people find
> value in this..I know I have....
>
> Sarah
>
> Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)
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