On 6 August 2017 at 23:08, Neotarf <neotarf(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ...... > > Women who do not want to interact on these terms, with individuals who > are quite probably minors, are being silenced. I have heard that > professional women are being recruited for Wikipedia, women whose employers > would ordinarily be expected to protect them from a 'hostile work place', > but they are being required to post their real identities on their talk > pages, along with the names of their employers. and a COI form statement. > They are also required to sign a non-disclosure agreement that prevents > them from revealing any harassment they experience in Wikipedia, or from > even revealing they have been required to sign an NDA. These women will > join Wikipedia, and listen to the pitch and eat the bagels, and Wikipedia > gets to count them as female editors, but very few of them go on to make > that second edit, because it's their professional reputation on the line. > > If Wikipedia wants women editors they are going to have to come to > terms with this. > > > This is a very inflammatory thing to say, Neotarf, and I need to insist that you show some proof of this. Links to discussions or requirements, please. This is far too sensationalistic to allow it to sit here without serious evidence. Risker/Anne _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

I have no way of investigating something I was not supposed to find out about in the first place. Given Wikipedia's culture of retaliation against anyone who speaks out, I am unlikely to find out more, but it did seem credible. These agreements are becoming more common, for instance here a female employee wanted to get out of her non-disparagement agreement but Angel List said no. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0 7/21/technology/silicon-valley-sexual-harassment-non-dispara gement-agreements.html Also the internal Google gender manifesto that was just leaked "Until about a week ago, you would have heard very little from me publicly about this, because (as a fairly senior Googler) my job would have been to deal with it internally, and confidentiality rules would have prevented me from saying much in public.But as it happens, (although this wasn’t the way I was planning on announcing it) I actually recently left Google..." https://medium.com/@yonatanzun ger/so-about-this-googlers-manifesto-1e3773ed1788 On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 3:16 AM, Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 6 August 2017 at 23:08, Neotarf <neotarf(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> ...... >> >> Women who do not want to interact on these terms, with individuals >> who are quite probably minors, are being silenced. I have heard that >> professional women are being recruited for Wikipedia, women whose employers >> would ordinarily be expected to protect them from a 'hostile work place', >> but they are being required to post their real identities on their talk >> pages, along with the names of their employers. and a COI form statement. >> They are also required to sign a non-disclosure agreement that prevents >> them from revealing any harassment they experience in Wikipedia, or from >> even revealing they have been required to sign an NDA. These women will >> join Wikipedia, and listen to the pitch and eat the bagels, and Wikipedia >> gets to count them as female editors, but very few of them go on to make >> that second edit, because it's their professional reputation on the line. >> >> If Wikipedia wants women editors they are going to have to come to >> terms with this. >> >> >> > This is a very inflammatory thing to say, Neotarf, and I need to > insist that you show some proof of this. Links to discussions or > requirements, please. This is far too sensationalistic to allow it to sit > here without serious evidence. > > Risker/Anne > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, > please visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap