So we have two former arbitrators on this list,
one of whom has offered
to assist in evaluating this thing privately, and who has himself signed
such a non-disparagement agreement, and another who wants to suppress all
discussion of it. We don't know if she has signed such an agreement.
Publications like the New York Times and Washington Post do print and
evaluate information without naming sources, and it is true they are
sometimes called "fake news" on Twitter, but does not make the information
"factless", or prevent Wikipedia from consider them to be RS.
On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
So, in other words, you have no evidence at all,
except for some gossip,
that *anyone* is being required to sign NDAs in order to edit Wikipedia.
You have some information that suggests other organizations, completely
separate from Wikipedia,
It's bad enough that women do, indeed, face greater sexual harassment
both societally and on Wikimedia projects, something that is quantified in
various ways even if there is some question about the accuracy of that
quantification. Sesnsationalistic statements such as yours, without any
evidence at all, have a very significant negative impact on the ability to
fight such harassment, especially when they seem so absurd. Simply put,
it's factless allegation, or what certain sectors of the American public
have come to term "fake news". Please retract your statement.
Risker/Anne
On 7 August 2017 at 08:21, Neotarf <neotarf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I have no way of investigating something I was
not supposed to find out
about in the first place. Given Wikipedia's culture of retaliation against
anyone who speaks out, I am unlikely to find out more, but it did seem
credible. These agreements are becoming more common, for instance here a
female employee wanted to get out of her non-disparagement agreement but
Angel List said no.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0
7/21/technology/silicon-valley-sexual-harassment-non-dispara
gement-agreements.html Also the internal Google gender manifesto that
was just leaked "Until about a week ago, you would have heard very little
from me publicly about this, because (as a fairly senior Googler) my job
would have been to deal with it internally, and confidentiality rules would
have prevented me from saying much in public.But as it happens, (although
this wasn’t the way I was planning on announcing it) I actually recently
left Google..."
https://medium.com/@yonatanzun
ger/so-about-this-googlers-manifesto-1e3773ed1788
On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 3:16 AM, Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 6 August 2017 at 23:08, Neotarf <neotarf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ......
>>
>> Women who do not want to interact on these terms, with individuals
>> who are quite probably minors, are being silenced. I have heard that
>> professional women are being recruited for Wikipedia, women whose employers
>> would ordinarily be expected to protect them from a 'hostile work
place',
>> but they are being required to post their real identities on their talk
>> pages, along with the names of their employers. and a COI form statement.
>> They are also required to sign a non-disclosure agreement that prevents
>> them from revealing any harassment they experience in Wikipedia, or from
>> even revealing they have been required to sign an NDA. These women will
>> join Wikipedia, and listen to the pitch and eat the bagels, and Wikipedia
>> gets to count them as female editors, but very few of them go on to make
>> that second edit, because it's their professional reputation on the line.
>>
>> If Wikipedia wants women editors they are going to have to come to
>> terms with this.
>>
>>
>>
> This is a very inflammatory thing to say, Neotarf, and I need to
> insist that you show some proof of this. Links to discussions or
> requirements, please. This is far too sensationalistic to allow it to sit
> here without serious evidence.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> _______________________________________________
> Gendergap mailing list
> Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing,
> please visit:
>
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
>
_______________________________________________
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing,
please visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
_______________________________________________
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
visit:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
_______________________________________________
Gendergap mailing list
Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org
To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please
visit: