Dear Anthony (AGK)
I'm very sorry to bother you, but could I have a timeline with respect to deletion, or not, of those images ?
With the welfare of the children in mind, I feel that the school, the children's parents and the local child welfare committees, magistrates and police should be properly sensitized to the incidents of that day, and to ensure it cannot reoccur
I'm sure the police and the Indian Govt Cyber Advisory Committee would be interested in learning from you or NYBrad the finer points of law whereby Citizendium encyclopedia decides to completely wipes out the images within 12 hours but Wikipedia has not done anything till now on identical complaint.
I would also like to know by when you will publish across all Wikipedia projects the complete list of accounts and IPs I have allegedly used, and also if I am a sockpuppet of User:MehulWB as alleged or not. This is required by your same policy WP:SOCK under which was blocked.
Thanks
On 11/18/14, Romana Busse romana.busse@gmail.com wrote:
This is about a potential threat to clearly identifiable Indian minor school children whose images are retained on WMF servers in USA and India despite legal notice to remove them. Taken within their school (where their parents expected the same degree of privacy as they enjoy at home) and uploaded without their permission, consent or knowledge, at a location where they allegedly viewed grossly obscene pornography accessed on a Wikimedia Foundation service which has now been disabled on complaint by a body called [[India Against Corruption]].
Why has this e-mail been crossposted to the gender gap list?
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Romana Busse romana.busse@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Anthony (AGK)
I'm very sorry to bother you, but could I have a timeline with respect to deletion, or not, of those images ?
With the welfare of the children in mind, I feel that the school, the children's parents and the local child welfare committees, magistrates and police should be properly sensitized to the incidents of that day, and to ensure it cannot reoccur
I'm sure the police and the Indian Govt Cyber Advisory Committee would be interested in learning from you or NYBrad the finer points of law whereby Citizendium encyclopedia decides to completely wipes out the images within 12 hours but Wikipedia has not done anything till now on identical complaint.
I would also like to know by when you will publish across all Wikipedia projects the complete list of accounts and IPs I have allegedly used, and also if I am a sockpuppet of User:MehulWB as alleged or not. This is required by your same policy WP:SOCK under which was blocked.
Thanks
On 11/18/14, Romana Busse romana.busse@gmail.com wrote:
This is about a potential threat to clearly identifiable Indian minor school children whose images are retained on WMF servers in USA and India despite legal notice to remove them. Taken within their school (where their parents expected the same degree of privacy as they enjoy at home) and uploaded without their permission, consent or knowledge, at a location where they allegedly viewed grossly obscene pornography accessed on a Wikimedia Foundation service which has now been disabled on complaint by a body called [[India Against Corruption]].
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Hi Nathan
Thanks for voicing your concerns about cross-posting. This is an email about the inept way WMF is "closing" the gender gap.
The children at risk include a large number of females who were being inducted as editors into Wikipedia via a disastrous WMF initiative in India, at a training session in their school where they allegedly watched graphic LGBT pornography on Wikimedia Commons etc.
Complaints listing the URLs of all the clearly identifiable images of these attendees has been circulated to Members of Parliament in India.
Citizendium had deleted the same images in 12 hours, but WMF Legal and EN:ARBCOM are passing the deletion buck to each other.
This link has some more information http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki_talk:What_is_going_on_at_Citizendi...
On 11/18/14, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
Why has this e-mail been crossposted to the gender gap list?
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Romana Busse romana.busse@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Anthony (AGK)
I'm very sorry to bother you, but could I have a timeline with respect to deletion, or not, of those images ?
With the welfare of the children in mind, I feel that the school, the children's parents and the local child welfare committees, magistrates and police should be properly sensitized to the incidents of that day, and to ensure it cannot reoccur
I'm sure the police and the Indian Govt Cyber Advisory Committee would be interested in learning from you or NYBrad the finer points of law whereby Citizendium encyclopedia decides to completely wipes out the images within 12 hours but Wikipedia has not done anything till now on identical complaint.
I would also like to know by when you will publish across all Wikipedia projects the complete list of accounts and IPs I have allegedly used, and also if I am a sockpuppet of User:MehulWB as alleged or not. This is required by your same policy WP:SOCK under which was blocked.
Thanks
On 11/18/14, Romana Busse romana.busse@gmail.com wrote:
This is about a potential threat to clearly identifiable Indian minor school children whose images are retained on WMF servers in USA and India despite legal notice to remove them. Taken within their school (where their parents expected the same degree of privacy as they enjoy at home) and uploaded without their permission, consent or knowledge, at a location where they allegedly viewed grossly obscene pornography accessed on a Wikimedia Foundation service which has now been disabled on complaint by a body called [[India Against Corruption]].
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Hi everyone,
(This is still in the making, so no solid promises or plans yet.)
In the Netherlands a small group of representatives of organisations that deal with women’s history is seriously brainstorming about a longer-term project to represent the Dutch women’s history better on Wikipedia. Together with a few other Dutch Wikipedians, I’m brainstorming together with them (and will probably help them during the actual process when the project takes off).
At this moment, our plan is to narrow our focus to the subject of Dutch second-wave feminism and to ‘recruit’ university docents to do Wikipedia-oriented courses with students. We hope that a few enthusiastic university teachers will teach a term course on second-wave feminism (probably one term of the 2015-16 academic year), and that students will be asked to write or improve Wikipedia articles as an assignment.
My question to this list is the following: The organisations’ representatives are curious whether there are any earlier, similar projects that we can refer to, and learn from. Are there? I mean: projects in which local Wikipedians have worked together with local feminist organisations, or women’s history organisations, in order to structurally improve content on Wikipedia. I did a bit of searching around on the various Gender Gap project pages (I admit: superficially) but couldn’t find any so far. I’m aware of the Art+Feminism edit-a-thons.
In any case - all suggestions and tips are very welcome.
Many thanks! Sandra (User:Spinster)
Hi Sandra, I don't think there have been any in the past unless you count my discussions with Els Kloek about the 1001 vrouwen project. She is not a technical person and couldn't help me with the metadata but loves Wikipedia and arranged for me to meet up with the Biografischportaal website manager who could point me to their api. The 1001 vrouwen are all indexed through that portal, and it includes lots more women for whom they haven't started writing modern biographies yet.
I guess the closest thing in English is the CLARA database of the National Museum of Women in the Arts, which is now indexed on Mix-n-Match thanks to Magnus here: http://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/
Anyone can match on that and use it to clean up Wikidata items. If you have any other databases like that then let's get them on Mix-n-Match too! BTW, Sebastiaan uploaded the video of me explaining last Friday how to match in Mix-n-Match here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpyM1MlwW2U&feature=youtu.be
For the Wikidatans among you all, please also vote on a new property for CLARA here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Authority_control#C...
Jane
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Sandra Fauconnier < sandra.fauconnier@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
(This is still in the making, so no solid promises or plans yet.)
In the Netherlands a small group of representatives of organisations that deal with women’s history is seriously brainstorming about a longer-term project to represent the Dutch women’s history better on Wikipedia. Together with a few other Dutch Wikipedians, I’m brainstorming together with them (and will probably help them during the actual process when the project takes off).
At this moment, our plan is to narrow our focus to the subject of Dutch second-wave feminism and to ‘recruit’ university docents to do Wikipedia-oriented courses with students. We hope that a few enthusiastic university teachers will teach a term course on second-wave feminism (probably one term of the 2015-16 academic year), and that students will be asked to write or improve Wikipedia articles as an assignment.
My question to this list is the following: The organisations’ representatives are curious whether there are any earlier, similar projects that we can refer to, and learn from. Are there? I mean: projects in which local Wikipedians have worked together with local feminist organisations, or women’s history organisations, in order to structurally improve content on Wikipedia. I did a bit of searching around on the various Gender Gap project pages (I admit: superficially) but couldn’t find any so far. I’m aware of the Art+Feminism edit-a-thons.
In any case - all suggestions and tips are very welcome.
Many thanks! Sandra (User:Spinster)
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Do you mean more like an ongoing thing? Not just once a year? (Or twice)
Like a wikipedian in residence....sort of?
Many of us collaborate with organizations and groups - often the same..to do this kind of stuff but not many people have sat in a role and did consistent programming...yet.
Sarah On Nov 19, 2014 12:38 AM, "Sandra Fauconnier" sandra.fauconnier@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone,
(This is still in the making, so no solid promises or plans yet.)
In the Netherlands a small group of representatives of organisations that deal with women’s history is seriously brainstorming about a longer-term project to represent the Dutch women’s history better on Wikipedia. Together with a few other Dutch Wikipedians, I’m brainstorming together with them (and will probably help them during the actual process when the project takes off).
At this moment, our plan is to narrow our focus to the subject of Dutch second-wave feminism and to ‘recruit’ university docents to do Wikipedia-oriented courses with students. We hope that a few enthusiastic university teachers will teach a term course on second-wave feminism (probably one term of the 2015-16 academic year), and that students will be asked to write or improve Wikipedia articles as an assignment.
My question to this list is the following: The organisations’ representatives are curious whether there are any earlier, similar projects that we can refer to, and learn from. Are there? I mean: projects in which local Wikipedians have worked together with local feminist organisations, or women’s history organisations, in order to structurally improve content on Wikipedia. I did a bit of searching around on the various Gender Gap project pages (I admit: superficially) but couldn’t find any so far. I’m aware of the Art+Feminism edit-a-thons.
In any case - all suggestions and tips are very welcome.
Many thanks! Sandra (User:Spinster)
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Yes, I mean an ongoing thing - not just one or two edit-a-thons. Not really a Wikipedian in Residence project - more like a long-term commitment and project in which several activities take place over a longer time, with maybe several Wikipedia volunteers involved.
Perhaps Europeana Fashion comes close??
Greetings, Sandra
On 19 Nov 2014, at 16:18, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Do you mean more like an ongoing thing? Not just once a year? (Or twice)
Like a wikipedian in residence....sort of?
Many of us collaborate with organizations and groups - often the same..to do this kind of stuff but not many people have sat in a role and did consistent programming...yet.
Sarah
On Nov 19, 2014 12:38 AM, "Sandra Fauconnier" sandra.fauconnier@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone,
(This is still in the making, so no solid promises or plans yet.)
In the Netherlands a small group of representatives of organisations that deal with women’s history is seriously brainstorming about a longer-term project to represent the Dutch women’s history better on Wikipedia. Together with a few other Dutch Wikipedians, I’m brainstorming together with them (and will probably help them during the actual process when the project takes off).
At this moment, our plan is to narrow our focus to the subject of Dutch second-wave feminism and to ‘recruit’ university docents to do Wikipedia-oriented courses with students. We hope that a few enthusiastic university teachers will teach a term course on second-wave feminism (probably one term of the 2015-16 academic year), and that students will be asked to write or improve Wikipedia articles as an assignment.
My question to this list is the following: The organisations’ representatives are curious whether there are any earlier, similar projects that we can refer to, and learn from. Are there? I mean: projects in which local Wikipedians have worked together with local feminist organisations, or women’s history organisations, in order to structurally improve content on Wikipedia. I did a bit of searching around on the various Gender Gap project pages (I admit: superficially) but couldn’t find any so far. I’m aware of the Art+Feminism edit-a-thons.
In any case - all suggestions and tips are very welcome.
Many thanks! Sandra (User:Spinster)
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The only thing I can think of is the fembot/femtech programs that have women editing in a myriad of things - education programs, events etc but its not a formal thing. Myself, Adrianne and Alex have been involved but again its not "formal"
The Europeana fashion is sort what you are going for...or Wikimedia UK with their relationship with the Royal society...but it's more seasonal than ongoing...
I'd love to see more formalized things. On Nov 19, 2014 11:57 AM, "Sandra Fauconnier" sandra.fauconnier@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I mean an ongoing thing - not just one or two edit-a-thons. Not really a Wikipedian in Residence project - more like a long-term commitment and project in which several activities take place over a longer time, with maybe several Wikipedia volunteers involved.
Perhaps Europeana Fashion comes close??
Greetings, Sandra
On 19 Nov 2014, at 16:18, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Do you mean more like an ongoing thing? Not just once a year? (Or twice)
Like a wikipedian in residence....sort of?
Many of us collaborate with organizations and groups - often the
same..to do this kind of stuff but not many people have sat in a role and did consistent programming...yet.
Sarah
On Nov 19, 2014 12:38 AM, "Sandra Fauconnier" <
sandra.fauconnier@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
(This is still in the making, so no solid promises or plans yet.)
In the Netherlands a small group of representatives of organisations
that deal with women’s history is seriously brainstorming about a longer-term project to represent the Dutch women’s history better on Wikipedia. Together with a few other Dutch Wikipedians, I’m brainstorming together with them (and will probably help them during the actual process when the project takes off).
At this moment, our plan is to narrow our focus to the subject of Dutch
second-wave feminism and to ‘recruit’ university docents to do Wikipedia-oriented courses with students. We hope that a few enthusiastic university teachers will teach a term course on second-wave feminism (probably one term of the 2015-16 academic year), and that students will be asked to write or improve Wikipedia articles as an assignment.
My question to this list is the following: The organisations’ representatives are curious whether there are any
earlier, similar projects that we can refer to, and learn from. Are there?
I mean: projects in which local Wikipedians have worked together with
local feminist organisations, or women’s history organisations, in order to structurally improve content on Wikipedia.
I did a bit of searching around on the various Gender Gap project pages
(I admit: superficially) but couldn’t find any so far. I’m aware of the Art+Feminism edit-a-thons.
In any case - all suggestions and tips are very welcome.
Many thanks! Sandra (User:Spinster)
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Hi Sandra,
You may find these educational materials helpful when you think about designing your program. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Systemic_bias_workshop_kit.pdf
Seeing some consistent programming with an organization would be great! Good luck!
-Emily
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
The only thing I can think of is the fembot/femtech programs that have women editing in a myriad of things - education programs, events etc but its not a formal thing. Myself, Adrianne and Alex have been involved but again its not "formal"
The Europeana fashion is sort what you are going for...or Wikimedia UK with their relationship with the Royal society...but it's more seasonal than ongoing...
I'd love to see more formalized things. On Nov 19, 2014 11:57 AM, "Sandra Fauconnier" sandra.fauconnier@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I mean an ongoing thing - not just one or two edit-a-thons. Not really a Wikipedian in Residence project - more like a long-term commitment and project in which several activities take place over a longer time, with maybe several Wikipedia volunteers involved.
Perhaps Europeana Fashion comes close??
Greetings, Sandra
On 19 Nov 2014, at 16:18, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com
wrote:
Do you mean more like an ongoing thing? Not just once a year? (Or twice)
Like a wikipedian in residence....sort of?
Many of us collaborate with organizations and groups - often the
same..to do this kind of stuff but not many people have sat in a role and did consistent programming...yet.
Sarah
On Nov 19, 2014 12:38 AM, "Sandra Fauconnier" <
sandra.fauconnier@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
(This is still in the making, so no solid promises or plans yet.)
In the Netherlands a small group of representatives of organisations
that deal with women’s history is seriously brainstorming about a longer-term project to represent the Dutch women’s history better on Wikipedia. Together with a few other Dutch Wikipedians, I’m brainstorming together with them (and will probably help them during the actual process when the project takes off).
At this moment, our plan is to narrow our focus to the subject of Dutch
second-wave feminism and to ‘recruit’ university docents to do Wikipedia-oriented courses with students. We hope that a few enthusiastic university teachers will teach a term course on second-wave feminism (probably one term of the 2015-16 academic year), and that students will be asked to write or improve Wikipedia articles as an assignment.
My question to this list is the following: The organisations’ representatives are curious whether there are any
earlier, similar projects that we can refer to, and learn from. Are there?
I mean: projects in which local Wikipedians have worked together with
local feminist organisations, or women’s history organisations, in order to structurally improve content on Wikipedia.
I did a bit of searching around on the various Gender Gap project pages
(I admit: superficially) but couldn’t find any so far. I’m aware of the Art+Feminism edit-a-thons.
In any case - all suggestions and tips are very welcome.
Many thanks! Sandra (User:Spinster)
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Hi Sandra,
The Wiki Education Foundation has done collaborations like that. We work with a handful of academic associations in the U.S. who encourage their members (professors who teach in that discipline) to assign their students to fill content gaps on Wikipedia. We've had a lot of success with the project. You can see the outcomes of the sociology one, which has had an impact on the gender gap on the English Wikipedia, in this recent article: http://www.asanet.org/footnotes/septoct14/wikipedia_0914.html
Our Educational Partnerships Manager, Jami Mathewson, is working with the National Women's Studies Association to form a similar collaboration right now; Jami and one of our volunteers spent last weekend at their annual conference, both hosting an exhibit about how to fill content gaps in women's studies through classroom programs and having a two-session workshop in the conference schedule. I know Jami's working on a blog post with more information about her experiences soon, so look out for that on Wiki Ed's blog.
I definitely highly recommend projects like this as great ways to target content gaps (but I'll emphasize that the reason this works is because we have a vibrant support structure for our wider educational efforts -- see more at http://wikiedu.org/for-instructors/ ). I know Wikimedia Nederland has been talking about getting going with an education program; maybe you should talk with them to see if you can connect your idea to the existing education plan? More info on that is here: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Newsletter/August_2014/Pilot_p...
Hope this helps, LiAnna
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Keilana keilanawiki@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Sandra,
You may find these educational materials helpful when you think about designing your program. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Systemic_bias_workshop_kit.pdf
Seeing some consistent programming with an organization would be great! Good luck!
-Emily
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
The only thing I can think of is the fembot/femtech programs that have women editing in a myriad of things - education programs, events etc but its not a formal thing. Myself, Adrianne and Alex have been involved but again its not "formal"
The Europeana fashion is sort what you are going for...or Wikimedia UK with their relationship with the Royal society...but it's more seasonal than ongoing...
I'd love to see more formalized things. On Nov 19, 2014 11:57 AM, "Sandra Fauconnier" < sandra.fauconnier@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I mean an ongoing thing - not just one or two edit-a-thons. Not really a Wikipedian in Residence project - more like a long-term commitment and project in which several activities take place over a longer time, with maybe several Wikipedia volunteers involved.
Perhaps Europeana Fashion comes close??
Greetings, Sandra
On 19 Nov 2014, at 16:18, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com
wrote:
Do you mean more like an ongoing thing? Not just once a year? (Or
twice)
Like a wikipedian in residence....sort of?
Many of us collaborate with organizations and groups - often the
same..to do this kind of stuff but not many people have sat in a role and did consistent programming...yet.
Sarah
On Nov 19, 2014 12:38 AM, "Sandra Fauconnier" <
sandra.fauconnier@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
(This is still in the making, so no solid promises or plans yet.)
In the Netherlands a small group of representatives of organisations
that deal with women’s history is seriously brainstorming about a longer-term project to represent the Dutch women’s history better on Wikipedia. Together with a few other Dutch Wikipedians, I’m brainstorming together with them (and will probably help them during the actual process when the project takes off).
At this moment, our plan is to narrow our focus to the subject of
Dutch second-wave feminism and to ‘recruit’ university docents to do Wikipedia-oriented courses with students. We hope that a few enthusiastic university teachers will teach a term course on second-wave feminism (probably one term of the 2015-16 academic year), and that students will be asked to write or improve Wikipedia articles as an assignment.
My question to this list is the following: The organisations’ representatives are curious whether there are any
earlier, similar projects that we can refer to, and learn from. Are there?
I mean: projects in which local Wikipedians have worked together with
local feminist organisations, or women’s history organisations, in order to structurally improve content on Wikipedia.
I did a bit of searching around on the various Gender Gap project
pages (I admit: superficially) but couldn’t find any so far. I’m aware of the Art+Feminism edit-a-thons.
In any case - all suggestions and tips are very welcome.
Many thanks! Sandra (User:Spinster)
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When you work in a university, you frequently receive proposals that want students (and sometimes academics) to be "free labour" for some worthy (or not-so-worthy cause) without much regard to how the student benefits in terms of their program of study. As much as I am personally committed to Wikipedia and to feminism, if someone had approached me in my university with such a proposal, I would have said that it might be reasonable to expect a student in a writing or digital communications course to contribute to Wikipedia (or Facebook or ...) as part of that course, but that I would need to see a much stronger case for it in a course about feminism.
Would you regard it as reasonable if a driving instructor required their students to contribute to Wikipedia articles on road safety as a condition of receiving their driver's license? Or a doctor required Wikipedia articles before providing treatment? Why is it any different for a student to be required to write Wikipedia articles?
Offering students the *alternative* of writing for Wikipedia in lieu of a traditional essay assignment would be a far more acceptable proposal. But I would expect someone competent in Wikipedia would be available to provide those students with the skills to do so (but I assume this is the intention). And I would see nothing wrong with inviting students in a feminist course to participate in a feminist edit-a-thon or similar activity so long as it was clear it was independent to their studies (i.e. no coercion).
Kerry
I agree. You have to enter into a hostile environnent, which is very traumatizing towards women. On Nov 19, 2014 5:50 PM, "Kerry Raymond" kerry.raymond@gmail.com wrote:
When you work in a university, you frequently receive proposals that want students (and sometimes academics) to be "free labour" for some worthy (or not-so-worthy cause) without much regard to how the student benefits in terms of their program of study. As much as I am personally committed to Wikipedia and to feminism, if someone had approached me in my university with such a proposal, I would have said that it might be reasonable to expect a student in a writing or digital communications course to contribute to Wikipedia (or Facebook or ...) as part of that course, but that I would need to see a much stronger case for it in a course about feminism.
Would you regard it as reasonable if a driving instructor required their students to contribute to Wikipedia articles on road safety as a condition of receiving their driver's license? Or a doctor required Wikipedia articles before providing treatment? Why is it any different for a student to be required to write Wikipedia articles?
Offering students the *alternative* of writing for Wikipedia in lieu of a traditional essay assignment would be a far more acceptable proposal. But I would expect someone competent in Wikipedia would be available to provide those students with the skills to do so (but I assume this is the intention). And I would see nothing wrong with inviting students in a feminist course to participate in a feminist edit-a-thon or similar activity so long as it was clear it was independent to their studies (i.e. no coercion).
Kerry
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I’m very aware of that!
But in this specific case, we will be working with a group of women’s studies professors who are already closely acquainted and working together with the partnering organisations. Their students frequently do internships there, they did internet-based collaboration projects earlier and the docents/professors actually actively asked for follow-up projects. It sounds as if this might be a good fit!
Our next step is a kick-off meeting in February. If no-one seems interested after all, we’ll pursue different paths outside education.
And yes, I already pinged WMNL.
Thanks, everyone, for your input! Very helpful :-)
Greetings, Sandra
On 19 Nov 2014, at 23:54, JJ Marr jjmarr@gmail.com wrote:
I agree. You have to enter into a hostile environnent, which is very traumatizing towards women.
On Nov 19, 2014 5:50 PM, "Kerry Raymond" kerry.raymond@gmail.com wrote:
When you work in a university, you frequently receive proposals that want students (and sometimes academics) to be "free labour" for some worthy (or not-so-worthy cause) without much regard to how the student benefits in terms of their program of study. As much as I am personally committed to Wikipedia and to feminism, if someone had approached me in my university with such a proposal, I would have said that it might be reasonable to expect a student in a writing or digital communications course to contribute to Wikipedia (or Facebook or ...) as part of that course, but that I would need to see a much stronger case for it in a course about feminism.
Would you regard it as reasonable if a driving instructor required their students to contribute to Wikipedia articles on road safety as a condition of receiving their driver's license? Or a doctor required Wikipedia articles before providing treatment? Why is it any different for a student to be required to write Wikipedia articles?
Offering students the *alternative* of writing for Wikipedia in lieu of a traditional essay assignment would be a far more acceptable proposal. But I would expect someone competent in Wikipedia would be available to provide those students with the skills to do so (but I assume this is the intention). And I would see nothing wrong with inviting students in a feminist course to participate in a feminist edit-a-thon or similar activity so long as it was clear it was independent to their studies (i.e. no coercion).
Kerry
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