Hey Laura,
I'm very sorry if I made you feel like your opinion was being
discounted. That was not my intention. I was merely trying to express my
own opinion and share some of my thoughts on the issue since I was
previously involved in moderation of the list. I certainly don't want to
turn this into a male-dominated discussion, so I'll let the rest of you
hash it out.
Ryan Kaldari
On 5/6/12 3:37 PM, Laura Hale wrote:
Thanks. It really makes me as a women expressing
concerns about
feeling unsafe and unable to talk about issues in terms men on the
list feel unimportant and resolved because a man has said they do not
care who moderates. Clearly the fact that a man has stepped up to
enforce civility on women and other men do not care about the
moderator's gender means my concerns are over blown. Thank you. As a
woman interested in the gendergap, as one who feels like her voice is
silenced by men, I am ecstatic that you have spoken up on my behalf. I
will now go silently sit in my corner, because my voice and the voices
of other women are clearly being tended to by men.
On Monday, May 7, 2012, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
I don't care who is moderating, but it would be nice to have more
civility on this list. When I resigned as moderator, I invited
several people to take my place (all women). They all declined
citing the contentious nature of the list, except for SlimVirgin.
SlimVirgin, unfortunately, was not able to moderate for very long
due to health issues. That leaves us with Sue, SarahS, and Kevin.
Sue is far too busy to actually moderate the list and SarahS often
has a COI in moderating since she is frequently the target of
attacks. So that leaves Kevin. Now that SlimVirgin has rejoined
the list, perhaps she would be interested in helping to moderate
again?
Ryan Kaldari
On 5/6/12 2:16 PM, Laura Hale wrote:
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Kevin Gorman <kgorman(a)gmail.com
<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'kgorman(a)gmail.com');>> wrote:
Hi all -
Given this, I'm going to change how the moderation of this
list is
handled a little bit moving forward. Previously, there has
been no
hands-on moderation of this list. From now on, there will
potentially
be some. It won't be draconian - and really, I hope it'll
never be
used at all - but I think it's important to guarantee that the
atmosphere of this list remains friendly, and I wanted to
announce how
I will be approaching it.
This really makes this place safe. Thank you very much. We've
done an excellent job resolving the leadership gendergap on WMF
with male +1, female +0.
Honestly though, I can tell you that while I am glad for a
moderator, having a male come in and tell me they will be making
this a safe place, given the historical problems of men making
this feel UNSAFE on this list and the increase in male
participation, this makes me uncomfortable and more like this
will be an even more unsafe space. :( The first thing you, as a
male who knows there are issues with women who feel unsafe
participating in this list because of those problems, is make a
declaration of firm male leadership and less tolerance of this
type of behavior. It feels like a major disconnect, where the
end result is women will feel MORE silenced lest they offend you.
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