Hey Laura,
I'm very sorry if I made you feel like your opinion was being
discounted. That was not my intention. I was merely trying to
express my own opinion and share some of my thoughts on the issue
since I was previously involved in moderation of the list. I
certainly don't want to turn this into a male-dominated discussion,
so I'll let the rest of you hash it out.
Ryan Kaldari
On 5/6/12 3:37 PM, Laura Hale wrote:
Thanks. It really makes me as a women expressing
concerns about feeling unsafe and unable to talk about issues in
terms men on the list feel unimportant and resolved because a man
has said they do not care who moderates. Clearly the fact that a
man has stepped up to enforce civility on women and other men do
not care about the moderator's gender means my concerns are over
blown. Thank you. As a woman interested in the gendergap, as one
who feels like her voice is silenced by men, I am ecstatic that
you have spoken up on my behalf. I will now go silently sit in my
corner, because my voice and the voices of other women are clearly
being tended to by men.
On Monday, May 7, 2012, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
I don't care who is
moderating, but it would be nice to have more civility on this
list. When I resigned as moderator, I invited several people
to take my place (all women). They all declined citing the
contentious nature of the list, except for SlimVirgin.
SlimVirgin, unfortunately, was not able to moderate for very
long due to health issues. That leaves us with Sue, SarahS,
and Kevin. Sue is far too busy to actually moderate the list
and SarahS often has a COI in moderating since she is
frequently the target of attacks. So that leaves Kevin. Now
that SlimVirgin has rejoined the list, perhaps she would be
interested in helping to moderate again?
Ryan Kaldari
On 5/6/12 2:16 PM, Laura Hale wrote:
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:03 AM,
Kevin Gorman <kgorman@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi
all -
Given this, I'm going to change how the moderation of
this list is
handled a little bit moving forward. Previously, there
has been no
hands-on moderation of this list. From now on, there
will potentially
be some. It won't be draconian - and really, I hope
it'll never be
used at all - but I think it's important to guarantee
that the
atmosphere of this list remains friendly, and I wanted
to announce how
I will be approaching it.
This really makes this place safe. Thank you very much.
We've done an excellent job resolving the leadership
gendergap on WMF with male +1, female +0.
Honestly though, I can tell you that while I am glad for a
moderator, having a male come in and tell me they will be
making this a safe place, given the historical problems of
men making this feel UNSAFE on this list and the increase in
male participation, this makes me uncomfortable and more
like this will be an even more unsafe space. :( The first
thing you, as a male who knows there are issues with women
who feel unsafe participating in this list because of those
problems, is make a declaration of firm male leadership and
less tolerance of this type of behavior. It feels like a
major disconnect, where the end result is women will feel
MORE silenced lest they offend you.