On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Michael J. Lowrey orangemike@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Please consider the likelihood that there may be a correlation between
the
let-it-all-hang-out attitude towards porn, and the problem you describe
as
"sexualized behavior – sexist comments and bad manners".
The let-it-all-hang-out approach towards porn is likely
– to attract people who engage in "sexualized behavior – sexist comments
and
bad manners", and – to repel the type of people who would be "allies within the community
to
shoot down behaviour like that (civility!)".
A more responsible and mainstream approach, on the other hand, is apt to repel the first and attract the second type of contributor.
{{citation needed}}
Unquestioned premises almost inevitably lead to false conclusions. In this case, the unquestioned premise is that those who oppose censorship are people who engage in (or at least tolerate) sexist comments and bad manners, as opposed to the possibility that those who people oppose censorship believe in opposing censorship as a matter of principle. You are unilaterally defining opponents of censorship as irresponsible, out of the mainstream, and unwilling to support civility: again I say, {{citation needed}}!
(I won't bother to ask for an apology.)
I'll work on a citation. But in my experience, the places that are most radically free speech, and most anti-censorship when it comes to porn, like parts of 4chan and reddit, are also places where the level of discourse goes way south. I don't think that is a particularly novel or contentious observation.