On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Michael J. Lowrey <orangemike@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please consider the likelihood that there may be a correlation between the
> let-it-all-hang-out attitude towards porn, and the problem you describe as
> "sexualized behavior – sexist comments and bad manners".
>
> The let-it-all-hang-out approach towards porn is likely
>
> – to attract people who engage in "sexualized behavior – sexist comments and
> bad manners", and
> – to repel the type of people who would be "allies within the community to
> shoot down behaviour like that (civility!)".
>
> A more responsible and mainstream approach, on the other hand, is apt to
> repel the first and attract the second type of contributor.

{{citation needed}}

Unquestioned premises almost inevitably lead to false conclusions. In
this case, the unquestioned premise is that those who oppose
censorship are people who engage in (or at least tolerate) sexist
comments and bad manners, as opposed to the possibility that those who
people oppose censorship believe in opposing censorship as a matter of
principle. You are unilaterally defining opponents of censorship as
irresponsible, out of the mainstream, and unwilling to support
civility: again I say, {{citation needed}}!

(I won't bother to ask for an apology.)


I'll work on a citation. But in my experience, the places that are most radically free speech, and most anti-censorship when it comes to porn, like parts of 4chan and reddit, are also places where the level of discourse goes way south. I don't think that is a particularly novel or contentious observation.