Ummm. You're missing the point, Neotarf. The article "about" Tomlinson
isn't his biography. It's an article about the event that led to his
death. Tomlinson *isn't* notable, which is why the article isn't entitled
"Ian Tomlinson", it's titled "Death of Ian Tomlinson".
I am suggesting that she herself may not meet the threshold of notability,
just as Tomlinson himself did not meet the threshold.
Risker/Anne
On 23 December 2014 at 00:45, Neotarf <neotarf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Is Samira Salih al-Nuaimi notable?
Just looking for an example of an article about someone notable for only
one event, here is an article on the Death of Ian Tomlinson, a newspaper
vendor who died during a London protest. Tomlinson's piece has been a
featured article, and as far as I know, no one has ever challenged his
notability.
Tomlinson article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson
BLP policy--people notable for only one event:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28people%29#People_notab…
Al-Nuaimi seems to be much more notable than that. The UN and the US
government have both issued official statements about al-Nuaimi's death.
The UN statement calls her a "well-known human rights lawyer and
activist".
http://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/un-envoy-condemns-public-execution-human-r…
This NZ piece has more detail about the statements issued by UN officials,
apparently al-Nuaimi was running for office on the provincial council as
well. There is more detail about two other female politicians killed or
kidnapped, as well as five female political activists killed in Mosul, but
no other names.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/61509820/un-activist-publicly-exec…
And if you can get into some of the Arabic language sources, there is more
nuance: you can see there were statements issued by two different UN
officials, a statement issued by Prince Zeid Ra'ad Al Husssein, the High
Commissioner for Human rights, in a statement issued by the UNHCR in Geneva
and New York, and a statement by the Special Representative of the
Secretary-General of the United Nations in Iraq, Nikolay Mladenov.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&u=http://www.elap…
A google search for her name in Arabic turns up 138,000 results. Although
Google results numbers are highly inaccurate, you can see at a glance from
the URL's, this is not just a local personality, it has been widely
reported across the Arabic-speaking world.
https://www.google.com/search?q=%D8%B3%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A9+%D8%B5%D8%A7…
If you wanted to skirt the notability issue, you could always just do a
quick translation of the Italian piece, basically there is just a template
so you can credit the original sources. More information can be added to a
translated piece later.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation#How_to_translate
But I don't see how she is not notable. I daresay if someone created an
article and it contained both a source, an internal link to another
Wikipedia article, and a category, no one would challenge it. This is
exactly the kind of information from the "global south" that the
Foundation's official reports keep saying is lacking from Wikipedia, that
they want to do something about.
Regards,
Neotarf
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 22 December 2014 at 15:34, Leigh Honeywell <leigh(a)hypatia.ca> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It does not fall afoul of the meatpuppetry policy if the creator writes
the article independently and using their own wording to create an
appropriate article based on their own understanding and referencing to
reliable sources. For example, this one could fall into several topics:
Women and ISIS, biography of individual (although you'd have to show she
was notable for a reason other than her execution), ISIS executions, etc.
etc.
Perhaps a stupid question but why is the coverage of her execution not
enough for notability?
ISIS is executing people by the tens of thousands (many for reasons that
seem astonishingly petty to outsiders), so being executed by ISIS does not
confer notability in and of itself.
What would confer notability would be reporting about her *before* her
death, such as multiple significant references where she is a primary focus
of a report about (for example) women human rights activists in her native
country, or conferring of significant recognition such as a government or
significant NGO human rights award. In other words, she needs to be
notable *before* her death in order to cross the notability threshold. The
BLP1E threshold still applies.
(For those of you unfamiliar with the acronym, that means that a person
notable for only one event will not normally have a biographical article,
although some of the information (including the name of the individual) may
well be notable enough for inclusion in another article. Example: Names of
victims of mass murderers - their names might be included in the article
about the murderer. This is also known as the "Badlydrawnjeff" Arbcom
decision.)
I've deliberately not been following the articles related to this topic
in general, but I am quite certain, based on the significant reporting of
this specific event and its contextualization in the media reports
(particularly issues related to risks to educated women in Iraq), there's
definitely a place for this information on Wikipedia, either in an article
about the topic (identifying al-Nuaimi by name and event) or (if there is
sufficient information) in an article about herself.
Risker/Anne
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