I assume you're the list moderator? Then you should be able to decide
who joins/stays on/posts on the list, and not have to resort to rants
such at this one.
Great point Emily, and this has crossed my mind. I don't really feel
comfortable "moderating" or "deciding" on who stays/posts/etc the list
when the negative comments by Beria have been directed at me (and of
course, I shared my opinion on the matter).
I'm in the process of investigating bringing in another moderator,
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Sarah Stierch
<sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com <mailto:email@example.com>> wrote:
And one think is discuss something - even when people have
different opinion than yours, another completely different is
play the "/poor me, nothing I do is good/" every time someone has
a criticism against your work.
I know I'm going to regret this, but, I can't be quiet anymore.
I apologize to this ENTIRE mailing list for this drama erupting,
and I'm going to be sending gender gap-l into my "special file"
until my heart rate goes down. If people want to talk to me, they
can find me on IRC or in private email, today.
Beria, you're passive aggressive bullying behavior has reached my
level of tolerance. I was going to email you privately, but, I
decided against that, as /you/ like to publicly share your
feelings with the community, including specific people publicly.
I have previously stated it, the last thing I wish to do is flood
the list with things that are of no benefit or interest to the
community. If me feeling bad about doing that is a bad then, so be
it, I'm just sick and tired of you repeatedly reminding me of how
I'm doing something wrong, and your declaration of "no one giving
a fuck" about what you have to say because you aren't a fellow or
you aren't a staff member is equally passive aggressive. I
/worked/ my butt off for this fellowship, and a fellowship with
WMF is something I have been exploring and trying to develop for
almost two years now. I'm honored to have it, beyond words. Anyone
can apply to be a fellow Beria, and passively declaring that no
one cares about you because you aren't paid, is just a mean slap
in the face of everyone who works hard at WMF and as volunteers.
And remember, there are chapter people who get paid to do their
And this isn't just about me - you've done it to a lot of people.
People I consider friends and colleagues, and people I don't even
I'm tired of having to worry about the things I post on this list,
Internal-L, and Foundation-L, being to your disapproval. I'm also
tired of the "monthly wait for what Beria will say to someone that
will cause drama on a mailing list" situation. While I'm sure
others greatly appreciate your attitude, I don't, and others do
not as well. Your behavior and bullying (which is defined here:
) makes me have little to
desire to participate in mailing list discussions, and even /less/
desire to even consider attending a conference that you are
co-planning. Which is something, civility, we touch on here on
this mailing list, as being a deterrent for people wanting to
participate in projects.
This isn't the first time that I've actively, /and/ publicly asked
you to stop behaving like this.
The goal of this list isn't to just "talk" about wanting to make
changes, it's about making changes. Whether they are online, in
any language project, or offline, through outreach, programming,
edit-a-thons, and whatnot. I talk my talk and I walk my walk, and
I know others here do too (and I try to share those projects when
they are brought to my attention). And if me being "too sensitive"
or me "caring too much" or "me being paid" is a deterrent to us
moving the meter (aka closing the gap) then I guess I'm the worst
representative for the gender gap movement.
Beria - I'm not going to argue with you about this, I'm not going
to ask you to ever like me, be my bestfriend, or make an
exception. I just want you to stop bullying me, others, and learn
how your words affects others before you type them. I can handle
criticism, when it's constructive. Not when it's rude,
insensitive, unprofessional and at times attacking.
_and on another note, regarding language:
I only share what I know, and sadly, I have a permanent off switch
in my head that makes it tough for me to learn other languages
(and no, Google Translate does not count as quality
accessibility), so when I can only talk for English Wikipedia, I
only post about English Wikipedia. We've never called this list an
English only list, I encourage people to participate in all
languages, so please, please please do.
I apologize to everyone for making this a big freaking mess, but,
I'm tired of this. Absolutely tired of it. Tired to the point
where I have had trouble sleeping - I mean what the hell is that
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