Hello Sir Asaf, I appreciate your concern and I am very much happy you have raised some concerns about the grant I have drafted for the purpose for which it supposed to be used for.
Please I welcome your ideas about how to make this grant a better one since you are an experienced member.
Your ideas are welcome Sir.
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I encourage folks to be more thoughtful about endorsing grant proposals. Only put your name as endorser if you genuinely think the proposal is a good use of funds to achieve the intended outcome.
In this case, my opinion is that this is too much money for too little impact. E.g. printing 20 T-shirts for 100 expected pictures?
In general, this is a fairly standard volunteer activity (taking landscape pictures) that should take place with little expenditure. Support for transportation needs, and perhaps entrance fees and food for the travel makes sense, but the rest seems to me to be unnecessary.
For instance, camera rental: it makes sense to encourage photography by experienced photographers, who generally already have their own gear. If the plan expects fewer than 20 experienced photographers to attend, then it should be scaled down to a more realistic number.
If 20 photographers are supposed to create only 100 photos, meaning an average of 5 photos per person, it's very low impact per person, and per dollar.
I am not a grantmaker (but I used to be one) and have no decision-making power over this proposal; if I were, I would have rejected this proposal for the above reasons, and asked Gabriel to rethink his plan and focus on impact and expenses that support it directly.
I write this because I think it is improbable that everyone who has already endorsed the request has read the proposal carefully and given thought to these questions, so I wanted to demonstrate my own thinking about this proposal.
It is one of the signs of a mature community that it is able to tolerate friendly criticism and saying no to colleagues, rather than automatic support based on "loyalty" and social connections. Evidence of such maturity would be necessary for the creation of a significant regional hub, for instance.
I am happy to discuss this further, if anyone is interested.
A.
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Hi, Gabriel.
Thank you for being receptive to my critique. I would like to encourage you to read it again and then review your proposal and make changes yourself, if you agree with my concerns (and feel free not to, where you disagree!).
I think I should not enable your completely passive response, where you expect me to spell out changes for you, even though I have called out specific examples of flaws I see in the proposal. Your writing just "I welcome your ideas", as though I had not already made specific points that you can act on, gives the impression that you are unwilling to meaningfully engage with the notes, and just want a solution you could copy and paste. But you should take responsibility for what you propose, and own it with confidence, not expect others to "just fix it" for you.
If, after comparing my notes to your proposal, you are still confused about any *specific* note and the change that could address it, feel free to ask *specifically*, and I (and others here) could help.
Cheers,
A.
Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)
Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities
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On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:24 PM Gabriel Joe Amuzu amuzugabrieljoe@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Sir Asaf, I appreciate your concern and I am very much happy you have raised some concerns about the grant I have drafted for the purpose for which it supposed to be used for.
Please I welcome your ideas about how to make this grant a better one since you are an experienced member.
Your ideas are welcome Sir.
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