No problem, feel free to contact me further if needed.
Thanks, Zppix Volunteer Developer for WMF www.enwp.org/User:Zppix
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Victoria Coleman vcoleman@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thank you Zppix. I think that’s an awesome idea! Let me work with Quim to see what is possible and when and I will get back to you.
Best,
Victoria
On Apr 28, 2017, at 3:52 PM, zppix e megadev44s.mail@gmail.com wrote:
Victoria, re-quoting from my original reply: "A suggestion would be to
host
a annual cloud (remote) hackathon type event where participants can join via hangouts. I'd be willing to help organize this if need be. I think it would help users that may not be comfortable traveling or don't feel like applying for travel funds from WMF or don't have the funds in general. I also think this would help users that aren't per say developers get their issues heard and worked on without waiting months for a task to be seen/replied/worked on. It could also be used by developers to talk with WMF staff "face to face". "
Thanks, Zppix Volunteer Developer for WMF www.enwp.org/User:Zppix
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Victoria Coleman <
vcoleman@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Hi there,
I think I am having a(nother) senior moment! I don’t recall what event
you
have in mind. Sorry! Can you please remind me?
Victoria
On Apr 28, 2017, at 2:25 PM, zppix e megadev44s.mail@gmail.com
wrote:
Victoria, Thanks for replying quickly, however what about the event I suggested,
any
thoughts on that?
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Victoria Coleman <
vcoleman@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Hi there,
Quim and his team have indeed thought through the totality of tech community events and I am sure he can respond here with his thoughts. Regarding the MediaWiki roadmap, the thinking is that by publishing it
we
a/make planning for 3rd party users much more feasible, b/inform the community about what the Foundation will be doing so that we can avoid overlap, and c/hopefully incentivize broader participation by the community in the formulation and delivery of the roadmap.
I hope this makes sense.
Victoria
On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:35 AM, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com
wrote:
Thanks.
Different events serve very different purposes, though - hackathons,
for
instance, seem to be largely useful for onboarding newcomers and
giving
staff and other occupational contributors an opportunity to work on projects separate from their usual work, basically whatever they feel
like
doing, as opposed to what they have to. But these often don't do much
for
established volunteers, as a result, who generally just work on
whatever
they feel like all the time already. Have you looked into how the
roles
of
these different events fit together across all the different groups,
and
how scopes affect them (regional, topical, etc)? This would also be
useful
for chapters/groups planning their own events.
How exactly is publishing a roadmap going to help facilitate
community
contributions?
-I
On 27/04/17 03:11, Victoria Coleman wrote: > Hi Isarra, > > thank you for the question. We want to support our diverse technical
communities in a variety of ways. One of our key tools are the
hackathons,
where we hope to welcome both seasoned and new volunteer developers.
We
want to support them not just by providing a series of events but also
with
tools and WMF staff time. These are the key goals of our new Wikimedia Cloud Services team. They build and make labs and tools available and participate in the hackathons to onboard newcomers and in general
assist
volunteers. Another key change we are making this year is creating the MediaWiki Platform team who as well as doing much needed work on the codebase will also facilitate contributions and planning with the
volunteer
community by publishing a roadmap. And as Quim notes below we are
changing
the nature of the Dev Summit to have it focus on the strategic
technology
issues and decisions the Movement is faced with. As such it is an
event
that might appeal more to the seasoned members of our community.
Attendance
for the summit will be decided on the basis of position papers for WMF staff and volunteers alike. I am personally excited about the lineup
of
events this coming year. But as always we learn and adapt. If we collectively decide to try for a different configuration the following year, we can totally do that. Please keep the feedback coming!
> > Best regards, > > Victoria > > >> On Apr 26, 2017, at 12:23 PM, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com
wrote:
>> >> Regarding the Developers Summit in particular, how do you plan to
reconcile making the event smaller with your goal of better retention
of
newcomers and volunteers in general when that's often the only venue
they
have at which to discuss the high-level technical issues with other stakeholders? Volunteer and third-party developers are not privy to
most of
the usual venues afforded to WMF staff such as inter-team meetings and events, and yet they make up an important part of the overall
stakeholder
community that these issues impact. They - we - need to be able to participate in these discussions, and the Developers Summit is one of
very
few opportunities even open to us where we can make our voices heard.
>> >> -I >> >> On 20/04/17 07:28, Quim Gil wrote: >>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 1:14 AM, Quim Gilqgil@wikimedia.org
wrote:
>>> >>>> Hi, the Wikimedia Foundation has published a draft of its Annual
Plan
>>>> FY2017-18 >>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
Annual_Plan/2017-2018/Draft>
>>>> and it welcomes your review. >>>> >>>> I want to highlight here the improvements that we are proposing
to
the
>>>> developer events (co)organized by the WMF. From local to global: >>>> >>>> The Technical Collaboration team proposes to combine multiple
activities
>>>> (often disconnected) in a single program focusing on onboarding
new
>>>> developers >>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
Annual_Plan/2017-2018/Draft/Programs/Community_Engagement# Program_12:_Onboarding_new_developers>. We
>>>> want to work with the Wikimedia technical community to bring a
new
wave of
>>>> developers to our projects, and events play an important role. >>>> >>>> Local developer events >>>> We want to support developers and organizations willing to reach
out
to
>>>> specific groups and geographies. We are hoping to see many local
developer
>>>> meetups and small hackathons or workshops around the World,
starting
small
>>>> and simple. We should be able to offer introductory materials,
contacts
>>>> with Wikimedia developers in the region, maybe travel budget to
send
>>>> experienced volunteers to help mentoring the in the bigger
events,
maybe
>>>> travel budget to invite the best newcomers to our regional and
global
>>>> events. >>>> >>>> Adding tech to regional Wikimedia events >>>> Last year we experimented organizing technical workshops in
WikiArabia,
>>>> and others have done similar efforts in other regional events
(for
>>>> instance, a small hackathon next to WikiConference India). We
want
to work
>>>> with the organizers of these regional events in order to attract >>>> experienced Wikimedia developers and newcomers, organize
developer
>>>> activities, and also improve the collaboration between the
technical
and
>>>> non-technical contributors in these regions. >>>> >>>> Better retention of newcomers at the Wikimedia and Wikimania
hackathons
>>>> Although we don't expect major changes in the organization of the >>>> Wikimedia Hackathon and the hackathon at Wikimania, we want to
focus
better
>>>> on new developers onboarding and retention. In every Hackathon we
meet many
>>>> new developers, but the retention rates are very low. We want to
review
>>>> what we can do before, during, and after these apparently
successful
events
>>>> in order to retain newcomers better. One hypothesis is that we
should focus
>>>> call for participation, scholarships, and Wikimedia Foundation >>>> participation in providing a great experience to new volunteers
who
have
>>>> gone through local and regional events, and also "junior"
developers
coming
>>>> from wiki projects through the development of bots, gadgets,
tools,
>>>> templates. >>>> >>>> A smaller and more focused Wikimedia Developer Summit >>>> After some discussions between Community Engagement, Technology,
and
>>>> Product, we have decided to propose a different approach for the
Wikimedia
>>>> Developer Summit. Organized by the Technology department as part
of
their technical
>>>> community building >>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
Annual_Plan/2017-2018/Draft/Programs/Technology#Program_4: _Technical_community_building>
>>>> efforts, we want the Summit to finally become the venue where the
toughest
>>>> technical problems are discussed between the stakeholders
directly
related.
>>>> We want to reduce the size/budget of the event, separate it from
the
WMF
>>>> AllHands, >>>> >>> Due to travel budget considerations, the Summit still might be
connected to
>>> the WMF AllHands. >>> >>> >>>> and define its main themes well in advance. >>>> >>>> A Program Committeehttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T160996
would
>>>> decide these main themes to be discussed at the Summit. We also
want
to
>>>> explore the possibility of tackling some of these themes at the
Wikimedia
>>>> Hackathon and Wikimania, where we could get most stakeholders
involved with
>>>> just a little extra effort (since many of them would be attending
anyway).
>>>> >>>> We believe that this approach will serve better the Wikimedia
technical
>>>> community that we have, and also the the community that we want
to
have,
>>>> with a new wave of developers joining our various projects. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Quim Gil >>>> Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation >>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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