No, it's just none of my programs have an 'export to off' or an 'export to WebM' feature and as much as we might want to, we can't ignore old technology, like IE (even IE7) or Safari (mobile). h264 may not be modern, but it is widely used. I believe we should create a platform that can encode both WebM and H264, with support for native <element>s and Flash.
On Monday, March 19, 2012, Daniel Friesen lists@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote:
Not available yet? What century do you come from?
WebM has been supported in Firefox since 4, Chrome since 6, and Opera
since 10.6.
It's also apparently supported by Opera Mobile since <video> was
introduced and the Android browser since Gingerbread.
And where do you get off talking about h264 as modern format from this
century. h264's development started in the 20th century, it's been almost 10 years since the format was standardized. If you want to talk about modern and this-century then you should be pointing to WebM which was standardized recently in this century.
I do have one thing to say. I don't think we should drop plans to support
WebM. At the very least, if we do decide to add additional support for h264 we should make sure to use <video> tags which include both a WebM and h264 source.
-- ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name]
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:12:45 -0700, Mono monomium@gmail.com wrote:
Please. Although WebM is a promising format, it's not available yet. The Java fallback is a solution even worse than just using Fash, so if we
want
to get with this century, I believe we have to hold our noses and adopt a modern format.
On Monday, March 19, 2012, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:
As some may know, we've restricted videos on Wikimedia sites to the freely-licensed Ogg Theora codec for some years, with some intention to support other non-patent-encumbered formats like WebM.
One of our partners in pushing for free formats was Mozilla; Fire fox's HTML5 video supports only Theora and WebM.
The prime competing format, H.264, has potential patent issues - like
other
MPEG standards there's a patent pool and certain licensing rules. It's
also
nearly got an exclusive choke hold on mobile - so much so that Mozilla
is
considering ways to adopt H.264 support to avoid being left behind:
http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2012/03/18/video-user-experience-and-our-miss...
Is it time for us to think about H.264 encoding on our own videos?
Right now users of millions of mobile phones and tablets have no access
to
our audio and video content, and our old desktop fallback of using a
Java
applet is unavailable.
In theory we can produce a configuration with TimedMediaHandler to
produce
both H.264 and Theora/WebM transcodes, bringing Commons media to life
for
mobile users and Apple and Microsoft browser users.
What do we think about this? What are the pros and cons?
-- brion
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