On Jan 6, 2008 2:49 PM, Fernando Fagundes ffisnotfirefox@gmail.com wrote:
I'm aware the peer agreements of US big companies (tier 1) are harsh, but wikipedia is not commercial and have a lot of respect.
Google and Akamai got good peering agreements in the past because people respected them. Wikipedia shouldn't put itself in the same place of commercial companies when thinking about peering.
At&t is said to be more open to peering than others Tier 1s, Cogent peers anyone and Globalcrossing is your friend. There's also education networks and Latin America/Canadian telcos. But any of those will peer only where they have backbone capacity. Near Tampa that place would be Atlanta for US companies and Miami for Latin America ones. Go to the next Nanog and let people meet you.
For brazilian companies at Miami you should have no problems peering 8167 and 7738. You already have an open channel with 12956 and a lot of people here use Globalcrossing. I don't have any idea about 4230 policy, but they're at Miami as well.
Don't know about the other latin american companies but they should also be open to peering because they usually buy their traffic.
About the other costs did you already already asked for donations or discounts from Sago, or any other company located at Nota or Marietta? If you did I don't want to use that argument anymore.
When I mentioned Sago rackspace that was about space for network gear at Miami and Atlanta. I didn't mean you should move from your servers current location.
Best regards, Fernando.
On Jan 6, 2008 4:40 PM, Domas Mituzas midom.lists@gmail.com wrote:
Fernando,
No doubt Amsterdam have good peering, but the American ASN (14907) is listed only on TampaIX, which is a poorly connected.
Thanks for your suggestions - they have always floated around, but there're many issues to resolve. First of all, peering traditions in US are completely different, than in Europe or anywhere else - especially if we're not a huge telco.
I suggest you ask a donation or buy transport from Tampa to Miami (Nota) and/or Atlanta (56 Marietta St). Both places are much better connected. From my POV (South America) Miami would be the best.
Getting to those locations doesn't mean immediately all South American providers will be peering (especially large telcos).
I suggest you ask a donation (network and Miami/Atlanta rackspace) to Sago Networks, they recently released their fiber backbone which should have plenty of free space: http://www.techlinks.net/CommunityAnnouncements/tabid/55/ articleType/ArticleView/articleId/181087/Sago-Networks-Completes- Private-Fiber-Network-from-Tampa-to-Atlanta-and-Miami.aspx
We've done really good research about all companies doing any networking activities in Tampa area. Sure, if there's a way for us to do more efficient stuff, we will do so eventually :-)
If you decide to go the buy route I estimate the cost of a 2.5gig wave to Miami or Atlanta would be around 5k monthly (plus cross-connect fees, taxes, rackspace, remote hands).
There're more issues involved - like our routing capacity, network engineering hours, etc. I'm not in any authority to speak about this, but really, if there're good things to do, we generally do them :)
Is there serious interest in looking into peering?
I have multiple resources which could help with this - I've been on the NANOG mailing list since it was formed, and I know a bunch of peering and transit experts, some of whom own or founded ISPs.