[Wikitech-l] help

-----Original Message----- From: wikitech-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikitech-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of wikitech-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org Sent: 25 January 2007 08:16 To: wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Wikitech-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 81 Send Wikitech-l mailing list submissions to wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wikitech-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at wikitech-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Wikitech-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. KILL THIS THREAD (was Re: License status of MW screenshots.) (Brion Vibber) 2. Re: KILL THIS THREAD (was Re: License status of MW screenshots.) (Jay R. Ashworth) 3. Re: License status of MW screenshots. (Ilmari Karonen) 4. Re: KILL THIS THREAD (was Re: License status of MW screenshots.) (Ilmari Karonen) 5. Re: MD5 Password Encryption (Alphax (Wikipedia email)) 6. Re: License status of MW screenshots. (Alphax (Wikipedia email)) 7. Re: MD5 Password Encryption (Edward Z. Yang) 8. Re: [MediaWiki-CVS] SVN: [19651] trunk/phase3 (Brion Vibber) 9. Re: Extension request: Greenlist (David Gerard) 10. MediaWiki automated test run failure 2007-01-25 (brion(a)pobox.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:23:54 -0800 From: Brion Vibber <brion(a)pobox.com> Subject: [Wikitech-l] KILL THIS THREAD (was Re: License status of MW screenshots.) To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID: <45B7F89A.4000704(a)pobox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Guys, can we please take it off-list or find an amateur legal arguments list to duke it out in? Thanks. - -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com / brion @ wikimedia.org) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:45:46 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra(a)baylink.com> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] KILL THIS THREAD (was Re: License status of MW screenshots.) To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID: <20070125004546.GA10994(a)cgi.jachomes.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 04:23:54PM -0800, Brion Vibber wrote: O*kay*, dad. :-} Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth jra(a)baylink.com Designer Baylink RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates The Things I Think '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 03:37:05 +0200 From: Ilmari Karonen <nospam(a)vyznev.net> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] License status of MW screenshots. To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID: <45B809C1.2080107(a)vyznev.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Jay R. Ashworth wrote: The way I see it, Bridgeman vs. Corel is pretty much irrelevant here. A work can be subject to multiple copyright claims. Bridgeman is about whether a person making a copy gets to claim copyright on it. The issue we're discussing is whether the person who made the original gets to enforce their copyright on the derivative work. The two issues are more or less orthogonal -- all the four possible combinations can and do occur. Examples: 1. Person A paints a picture. Person B scans it. Per Bridgeman, the copyright on the scan belongs to person A only. 2. Person A paints a picture. Person B takes it to their studio and photographs it in a carefully chosen artistic setting. The photograph incorporates creative work by both A (the painting) and B (the scene it is set in), and both thus have copyright on it. 3. Person A paints a picture and makes posters of it. Person B takes a photo of a busy street where one lamppost in the background happens to have one of A's posters glued to it. Since the inclusion of A's picture in the photo is incidental and quite insignificant, it counts as fair use and/or _de minimis_. Even if the photo technically counted as a derivative work (which is a matter of definition), A would not be able to enforce their copyright on it. 4. Person A paints a picture. Person be uses a spectrometer to analyze a spot on the painting and to determine the chemical composition of the paint there. Since the resulting dataset bears no traces of creativity by either A or B, it is ineligible for copyright. -- Ilmari Karonen ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 03:38:45 +0200 From: Ilmari Karonen <nospam(a)vyznev.net> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] KILL THIS THREAD (was Re: License status of MW screenshots.) To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID: <45B80A25.6020901(a)vyznev.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Brion Vibber wrote: > > > Thanks. Oops, sorry, didn't notice this sooner. Will stop. -- Ilmari Karonen ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:38:09 +1030 From: "Alphax (Wikipedia email)" <alphasigmax(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MD5 Password Encryption To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID: <45B802F9.6030500(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Edward Z. Yang wrote: I find it interesting that you're advocating moving away from MD5 in a situation where the known collision weaknesses aren't relevant, yet you personally are still using SHA1 (which was broken about two years ago) in a situation which *is* susceptible to collision - and your signature didn't verify on that message (<ep65i0$496$1(a)sea.gmane.org>)g>). -- Alphax - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax Contributor to Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia "We make the internet not suck" - Jimbo Wales Public key: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax/OpenPGP